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The timing of these injuries is really annoying. Tough to trade guys that can't play.

spader wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Really? Chris Neil has a freakin' NMC?

Chris Neil, RW: Would be hard to believe they’d deal away one of their only elements of toughness. He has a no-movement clause. The Penguins and Habs both have interest.

http://www.ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/2011/02/16/17304441.html

Are we the Eastern Flames all of a sudden? While I don't want to see Neil traded, it seems weird that we're just hearing about this now, as it did when we heard about Kovalev's NTC (or NMC, I forget).


To add to that, I just read the article. He's a juicy bit of info that complements Clutch's revelation.

Milan Michalek, LW:
He hasn’t been asked to waive his no-movement clause, but there are several teams looking for scoring and Murray is listening.

Are you sure about this one, Michalek's I mean? Not only is that first I heard of it (& it would mean he waived it for us, which would be interesting), but I was under the impression that, under the CBA, you can't have a NTC / NMC until you're reached the point where you are / would be eligible for UFA status.

Spezza's NTC, for instance, kicked on on 1 July 2010, which was the moment he was eligible for UFA status. I don't think that was by choice; I think that was because that was all the CBA allowed Murray to give him. As I understand it (& I could be wrong), you can't have a NTC / NMC under the current CBA until you the time your reach UFA status (or the time that would have been your UFA status, if you're already signed).

EDIT: Oh, Garrioch wrote that article. That begins to explain it.

I think Garrioch is off-target on this one (surprise surprise).

As far as I know our NMC/NTC guys are: Spezza, Kovalev, Gonchar, Phillips

Everyone else either has an expired NTC or none at all.

Dash wrote:The timing of these injuries is really annoying. Tough to trade guys that can't play.

Both are day to day, last I heard. They have plenty of time to recover.

How the hell can Garrioch continue to get things so bloody wrong? My God, I can't understand it.

SpezDispenser wrote:How the hell can Garrioch continue to get things so bloody wrong? My God, I can't understand it.

Because saying that everyone has a no movement clause and/or has a prohibitive contract adds more drama to a routine situation?

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:How the hell can Garrioch continue to get things so bloody wrong? My God, I can't understand it.

Because saying that everyone has a no movement clause and/or has a prohibitive contract adds more drama to a routine situation?

Translation: a journalist, he is not.

SpezDispenser wrote:How the hell can Garrioch continue to get things so bloody wrong? My God, I can't understand it.

His brain is being compressed by fat.

He got Fisher's clause right did he not? Lets just wait and see before we bury the guy.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:He got Fisher's clause right did he not? Lets just wait and see before we bury the guy.

Yeah but he's obese. Sitcoms and movies have taught me that obesity means incompentence and ineptitude.

No, I'm definitely right:

From the CBA, article 11.8: Individually Negotiated Limitations on Player Movement.

"(a) The SPC of any Player who is a Group 3 Unrestricted Free Agent under
Article 10.1(a) may contain a no-Trade or a no-move clause. SPCs containing a no-Trade or a no-move clause may be entered into prior to the time that the Player is a Group 3 Unrestricted Free Agent so long as the SPC containing the no-Trade or no-move clause extends through and does not become effective until the time that the Player qualifies for Group 3 Unrestricted Free Agency."

Translation: you can't hold a NTC / NMC until your reach the point where you are / would be eligible for UFA status, which is, generally speaking, about the age of 27 (i.e., after 7 years of pro hockey).

Michalek might have a NTC on the final years of his deal, if the contract takes him into what would have been his UFA years, but that NTC would only come into effect at that time.

I could make a living out of correcting this lazy hack's errors.

rooneypoo wrote:No, I'm definitely right:

From the CBA, article 11.8: Individually Negotiated Limitations on Player Movement.

"(a) The SPC of any Player who is a Group 3 Unrestricted Free Agent under
Article 10.1(a) may contain a no-Trade or a no-move clause. SPCs containing a no-Trade or a no-move clause may be entered into prior to the time that the Player is a Group 3 Unrestricted Free Agent so long as the SPC containing the no-Trade or no-move clause extends through and does not become effective until the time that the Player qualifies for Group 3 Unrestricted Free Agency."

Translation: you can't hold a NTC / NMC until your reach the point where you are / would be eligible for UFA status, which is, generally speaking, about the age of 27 (i.e., after 7 years of pro hockey).

Michalek might have a NTC on the final years of his deal, if the contract takes him into what would have been his UFA years, but that NTC would only come into effect at that time.

I could make a living out of correcting this lazy hack's errors.

So is Michalek at a stage where a NMC would kick in if one were negotiated into his contract when he first signed it?

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:No, I'm definitely right:

From the CBA, article 11.8: Individually Negotiated Limitations on Player Movement.

"(a) The SPC of any Player who is a Group 3 Unrestricted Free Agent under
Article 10.1(a) may contain a no-Trade or a no-move clause. SPCs containing a no-Trade or a no-move clause may be entered into prior to the time that the Player is a Group 3 Unrestricted Free Agent so long as the SPC containing the no-Trade or no-move clause extends through and does not become effective until the time that the Player qualifies for Group 3 Unrestricted Free Agency."

Translation: you can't hold a NTC / NMC until your reach the point where you are / would be eligible for UFA status, which is, generally speaking, about the age of 27 (i.e., after 7 years of pro hockey).

Michalek might have a NTC on the final years of his deal, if the contract takes him into what would have been his UFA years, but that NTC would only come into effect at that time.

I could make a living out of correcting this lazy hack's errors.

So is Michalek at a stage where a NMC would kick in if one were negotiated into his contract when he first signed it?

Isn't he only recently turned 26? If so, I can't imagine that that's the case.

EDIT: Michalek's birthday is Dec. 7, 1984; that means he turned 26 two months ago. He's also in his 7th pro-season, judging from this:

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=57038

If, IF, he has a NTC / NMC of some sort, it would come into effect 1 July 2011, from what I can gather.

rooneypoo wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:No, I'm definitely right:

From the CBA, article 11.8: Individually Negotiated Limitations on Player Movement.

"(a) The SPC of any Player who is a Group 3 Unrestricted Free Agent under
Article 10.1(a) may contain a no-Trade or a no-move clause. SPCs containing a no-Trade or a no-move clause may be entered into prior to the time that the Player is a Group 3 Unrestricted Free Agent so long as the SPC containing the no-Trade or no-move clause extends through and does not become effective until the time that the Player qualifies for Group 3 Unrestricted Free Agency."

Translation: you can't hold a NTC / NMC until your reach the point where you are / would be eligible for UFA status, which is, generally speaking, about the age of 27 (i.e., after 7 years of pro hockey).

Michalek might have a NTC on the final years of his deal, if the contract takes him into what would have been his UFA years, but that NTC would only come into effect at that time.

I could make a living out of correcting this lazy hack's errors.

So is Michalek at a stage where a NMC would kick in if one were negotiated into his contract when he first signed it?

Isn't he only recently turned 26? If so, I can't imagine that that's the case.

I honestly don't know. I was asking a genuine question. Either way I hope Michalek is not traded personally.

See the edited post above.

He's 26 years old, but his birthday is in December which means he's technically in his 27th year of living. I'm assuming that doesn't matter in this case and that if he did have a NMC (which I still can't find proof of) that it won't have kicked in yet.

It would’ve been odd if Michalek had waived his NTC to leave San Jose and come to Ottawa.

CockRoche wrote:

hemlock wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

CockRoche wrote:
Let's go urine for urine. You versus me.

What do you say?

Wow. I never thought that urine comment I made would take on a life of it's own.

Haha. I was hoping you would see that. Call it a shout out, if you will.

More like a pissing contest.