2011 NHL Entry Draft Watch

Big Ev wrote:Let's just cloe this thread and re-open it on draft day

Meh, there's nothing else going on in the hockey world - besides the playoffs, which are exciting and all, but...

I've been having some fun following CPhoenixM aronud HFBoards and rippin his dumb posts.

Big Ev wrote:I've been having some fun following CPhoenixM aronud HFBoards and rippin his dumb posts.

Is that the guy who wants Strome so badly?

SpezDispenser wrote:

Big Ev wrote:I've been having some fun following CPhoenixM aronud HFBoards and rippin his dumb posts.

Is that the guy who wants Strome so badly?

Yeah

rooneypoo wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

sandysensfan wrote:Do you think Sens have a chance to move up with BOTH picks?

Move from 6th to say 3rd...

And try to move the 21st (Nashville) pick up to top 10?

Or would it cost too much to do that.. in way of picks & prospects/current roster players.

I really think it would cost Nashville's pick to move up to 3rd. I really believe that. If I was a GM, I wouldn't let Ottawa move up to 3rd unless I was getting a really nice pick out of it. Maybe I'd do it for Foligno and the 6th overall, but I'd prefer the 6th overall and the 21st overall for the 2nd/3rd overall.

I'm not sure if people would think that's overpayment on our part, but that's what I would demand.

The more I hear about these prospects, the less inclined I am to give up anything of much value to move up a few spots. The more discussion I hear, the more I think it likely that we do nothing, or nothing major, in terms of jockeying for position in the 1st round.

We've got 6 picks inside the top 65. There's no pressing need to change that. We're going to come out of June 24/25 with our prospect shelves substantially re-stocked, and that's what matters.

I can't wait.

SpezDispenser wrote:

sandysensfan wrote:Do you think Sens have a chance to move up with BOTH picks?

Move from 6th to say 3rd...

And try to move the 21st (Nashville) pick up to top 10?

Or would it cost too much to do that.. in way of picks & prospects/current roster players.

I really think it would cost Nashville's pick to move up to 3rd. I really believe that. If I was a GM, I wouldn't let Ottawa move up to 3rd unless I was getting a really nice pick out of it. Maybe I'd do it for Foligno and the 6th overall, but I'd prefer the 6th overall and the 21st overall for the 2nd/3rd overall.

I'm not sure if people would think that's overpayment on our part, but that's what I would demand.

That's a lot to move up just 3 spots. Maybe Sens 6th + Sens 2nd -- but would prefer one of the other 2nds.

OR

Stay at 6th.. then go to the Islanders with Nashville's 21st overall + two of the 2nd round picks.. one being Ottawa's to move to 5th -- then select 5 & 6th.
Snow has shown in the past he's not scared to move down to get more picks.. BUT get to him before someone else does.

SpezDispenser wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

The more I hear about these prospects, the less inclined I am to give up anything of much value to move up a few spots. The more discussion I hear, the more I think it likely that we do nothing, or nothing major, in terms of jockeying for position in the 1st round.

We've got 6 picks inside the top 65. There's no pressing need to change that. We're going to come out of June 24/25 with our prospect shelves substantially re-stocked, and that's what matters.

Yeah, the guy I would move up for is Landeskog, but the more I hear about his upside, the more I think we should take our chances with the 6th overall as they're all fairly similar.

The more I hear of Huberdeau and Couturier, the more appealing they sound too. So, I think we're in relatively good position.

The thing is that none of RNH, Lando, Huberdeau, Couturier or Strome could be around at 6th. Odds are that one of them will be with Larsson going somewhere high. But I don't want to be picking up the scraps, which is where the Sens could find themselves.

To me, the end of this season sucked. I feel like the Florida Panthers, who continually suck, and never end up with a high enough pick to nab a franchise player, rather than doing it right and sucking all the way to grab a guy at the top of the draft, like Tampa has recently with Stamkos and Hedman. Given the two choices, I'd much rather follow the Tampa model.

hemlock wrote:
The thing is that none of RNH, Lando, Huberdeau, Couturier or Strome could be around at 6th. Odds are that one of them will be with Larsson going somewhere high. But I don't want to be picking up the scraps, which is where the Sens could find themselves.

To me, the end of this season sucked. I feel like the Florida Panthers, who continually suck, and never end up with a high enough pick to nab a franchise player, rather than doing it right and sucking all the way to grab a guy at the top of the draft, like Tampa has recently with Stamkos and Hedman. Given the two choices, I'd much rather follow the Tampa model.

The other thing is, one of RNH, Lando, Huberdeau, Couturier, Strome, and Larsson will be available at 6th. From everything that I've heard, we'll get an NHL player regardless. I share your frustration that we didn't end up with a better pick, but I think we'll still improve considerably this draft.

The one thing we should be having at the end of this draft is a top notch offensive player and another guy who can potentially become a tenacious/defensive center like a Dave Bolland/Joe Pavelski type. The rest is just bonus, no big deal if they don't pan out.
I've read on HFBoards some guys discusisng the possibility of trading down. That shouldn't even be in Management's mind.
Aside from the 1st rounders, I am absolutely in to trade any of the remaining picks to move up.
6th + 35th should be enough to get to 4, which I believe should get us either Huberdeau or Landeskog.
Then 21st + Chi's 2nd to get Scheifele/Philips.

I don't want to move up to grab lando, if BM moves up and grabs him he better turn into Richards and not some border line 2nd line player like some other projections.

I'd be happier with huberdeau or storme.

spader wrote:

hemlock wrote:
The thing is that none of RNH, Lando, Huberdeau, Couturier or Strome could be around at 6th. Odds are that one of them will be with Larsson going somewhere high. But I don't want to be picking up the scraps, which is where the Sens could find themselves.

To me, the end of this season sucked. I feel like the Florida Panthers, who continually suck, and never end up with a high enough pick to nab a franchise player, rather than doing it right and sucking all the way to grab a guy at the top of the draft, like Tampa has recently with Stamkos and Hedman. Given the two choices, I'd much rather follow the Tampa model.

The other thing is, one of RNH, Lando, Huberdeau, Couturier, Strome, and Larsson will be available at 6th. From everything that I've heard, we'll get an NHL player regardless. I share your frustration that we didn't end up with a better pick, but I think we'll still improve considerably this draft.

That's my point. One of them will be, but it's out of our control. I'd rather have sucked Donkey all year to have had the chance to have our pick of the litter rather than take what's left over. Like I said, we are following the Florida model, not the Tampa model.

hemlock wrote:

spader wrote:

hemlock wrote:
The thing is that none of RNH, Lando, Huberdeau, Couturier or Strome could be around at 6th. Odds are that one of them will be with Larsson going somewhere high. But I don't want to be picking up the scraps, which is where the Sens could find themselves.

To me, the end of this season sucked. I feel like the Florida Panthers, who continually suck, and never end up with a high enough pick to nab a franchise player, rather than doing it right and sucking all the way to grab a guy at the top of the draft, like Tampa has recently with Stamkos and Hedman. Given the two choices, I'd much rather follow the Tampa model.

The other thing is, one of RNH, Lando, Huberdeau, Couturier, Strome, and Larsson will be available at 6th. From everything that I've heard, we'll get an NHL player regardless. I share your frustration that we didn't end up with a better pick, but I think we'll still improve considerably this draft.

That's my point. One of them will be, but it's out of our control. I'd rather have sucked Donkey all year to have had the chance to have our pick of the litter rather than take what's left over. Like I said, we are following the Florida model, not the Tampa model.

Ah. I'd misunderstood.

hemlock wrote:

spader wrote:

hemlock wrote:
The thing is that none of RNH, Lando, Huberdeau, Couturier or Strome could be around at 6th. Odds are that one of them will be with Larsson going somewhere high. But I don't want to be picking up the scraps, which is where the Sens could find themselves.

To me, the end of this season sucked. I feel like the Florida Panthers, who continually suck, and never end up with a high enough pick to nab a franchise player, rather than doing it right and sucking all the way to grab a guy at the top of the draft, like Tampa has recently with Stamkos and Hedman. Given the two choices, I'd much rather follow the Tampa model.

The other thing is, one of RNH, Lando, Huberdeau, Couturier, Strome, and Larsson will be available at 6th. From everything that I've heard, we'll get an NHL player regardless. I share your frustration that we didn't end up with a better pick, but I think we'll still improve considerably this draft.

That's my point. One of them will be, but it's out of our control. I'd rather have sucked Donkey all year to have had the chance to have our pick of the litter rather than take what's left over. Like I said, we are following the Florida model, not the Tampa model.

Nothing to say that we might not next year. We could finish bottom 3 next year. Andersson could suffer a season ending injury.

Huberdeau impressed the heck out of me live, I take back everything I've said about him not being on the same level as Couturier. This isn't a. Slight against Sean, just shows how much Huberdeau has changed my perception of him. As long as the Sens snag one of these guys from the Q I'll be happy.

Is there no love for Strome anymore?

hemlock wrote:The thing is that none of RNH, Lando, Huberdeau, Couturier or Strome could be around at 6th. Odds are that one of them will be with Larsson going somewhere high. But I don't want to be picking up the scraps, which is where the Sens could find themselves.

To me, the end of this season sucked. I feel like the Florida Panthers, who continually suck, and never end up with a high enough pick to nab a franchise player, rather than doing it right and sucking all the way to grab a guy at the top of the draft, like Tampa has recently with Stamkos and Hedman. Given the two choices, I'd much rather follow the Tampa model.

Keep the faith that they're interchangeable is all I can say. With the possible exception of Strome (perhaps not on the same level) and RNH (potentially on a higher level), I see Larsson, Huberdeau, Couturier, Landeskog all pretty much as equals. If we're left with Strome and it's not who we want, then we got f-ed in the damn lottery, otherwise, they're all safe. 1-6 + Murphy and Hamilton are all relatively safe picks in my eyes.

However, yes, obviously I'd prefer to be drafting 3rd and getting my chance at Larsson or Lando or whoever we want basically.

hemlock wrote:
That's my point. One of them will be, but it's out of our control. I'd rather have sucked Donkey all year to have had the chance to have our pick of the litter rather than take what's left over. Like I said, we are following the Florida model, not the Tampa model.

I 100% get where you're coming from, but one thing you don't want to do is follow a Florida Panthers model. The Sens had too many passengers - and that's no offense to Fisher, he just was struggling here, and that definitely doesn't apply to Kelly, but Kovalev really hurt this team, probably more than anyone can even imagine. Gonchar too - he needs to wake the Diddle up, but in the grand scheme the Sens were way too talented to be a bottom 3 team.

I hope we don't get Couturier, so you have to change your avatar, and I no longer have to look at that ridiculous picture.