GDT: Dallas Stars @ Ottawa Senators 7:30PM ET - Wednesday Nov. 24th

CockRoche wrote:

Whoever says that you can't make more than $200,000 on a two-way contract in the AHL, better check their facts. I will leave it at that and be happy I can't see most of his posts unless quoted by others.

There is most definitely a ceiling in terms of what a player on an ELC deal can make in the AHL. Try reading what I write before getting all "I know the CBA like the back of my hand", Notch. This is stuff I know as well as anybody.

9.4 Minor League Compensation. Each SPC entered into with a Rookie in the
Entry Level System shall automatically be deemed to be a "two way" SPC with a minor league salary equal to the Paragraph 1 Minor League Salary set forth in such SPC or, if no minor league salary is set forth, the greater of (i) $35,000 (Native Currency) and (ii) the minimum minor league salary provided for Players in the Minors; provided, however, in no event may such an SPC provide for minor league compensation, including any bonuses for games played, greater than the amount indicated on the following chart:
Draft Year Maximum Minor League
Compensation (Native Currency)
2005 $ 62,500
2006 $ 62,500
2007 $ 65,000
2008 $ 65,000
2009 $ 67,500
2010 $ 67,500
2011 $ 70,000
A Group 1 Player may not contract for or receive any bonuses for minor league service other than a games played bonus. If the NHLPA elects its right to extend this Agreement to 2012, as set forth in Article 3, the maximum minor league compensation in 2012 shall be $70,000 (Native Currency). The maximum compensation payable to a Group 1 Player who is playing in the Major Juniors shall be $10,500 per League Year.

CockRoche wrote:

cash wrote:

PKC wrote:I'm so Cussing disgusted with this team today, it's incredible. I'm starting to consider giving up on the season, not because of the last couple of days but because of the overwhelming evidence that this team just isn't good enough to compete for a playoff spot in the Eastern conference.

yep sure is overwhelming...they only beat a two top 5 teams in the past week and a half...pitiful. They only just dealt with real life tragedy...disgusting effort.

Some of you guys have the uber-fan lack of perspective that makes it unbearable to be on internet forums. (yeah yeah.. "if you don't like it don't come here." Cuss. "the most intellligent hockey discussion on the web"? It's just a regular forum. Get over yourselves).

Try acknowledging that these people (including players, trainers, coaches and GMs) do things that you can't. And then acknowledge that your envy clouds your perspective to the point that you feel the right to criticize every move, without giving any relevance to the multitude of variables that each of them has to consider before taking action.

Ah Cuss it. Rant over. I already know the Dung response this will yield... adios

I'm glad I logged in today and found this. Always in the back of my mind when I post some opinions, but I never have the balls to come out and directly say it. I'm sure some people have read between the lines with some of my posts, but still.

This is a perfect post.

I'm sure the same certain people will continue to support their opinion by saying, well I watch more hockey than you though and hide behind fancy words. You know who you are, my advice, play hockey once or twice.

It's pretty far from a perfect post. It was senseless, misdirected anger. I knew what type of response it would yield and I posted it anyways (I even mention the response at the end of the post ).

I definitely believe that there's far too little appreciation for the human aspect of hockey and that this site, like any other, and those who post here can suffer from a lack of perspective. All too often, the super fan expects perfection from their teams players and doesn't allow for mistakes, overexaggerating the faults of individual players, coaches, etc. It happens to me too and it's unfortunate when I don't appreciate that these guys are (for the most part) trying their best. They deserve a little slack, especially considering the very simple fact that we cannot do what they do.

As for recent issues, the lack of goal production is frustrating; but just a couple weeks ago, Tampa went through the same thing, scoring 13 goals in 7 games and losing 6 of those 7... sound familiar? And losing streaks happen to every team, but good teams can streak 4, 5, 10(!) together and we know that the Sens have that in them. It's a matter of time (IMO) before they end up in the top half (i.e. 5-6-7) and I still have faith in their ability to beat the best teams (evidence of that ability can be seen as recently as two weeks ago and earlier this week).

Only one team wins the Cup every year and I think the belief that your team will be the one (which is part of being a fan) drives super fans to the point where they can't accept that their team just isn't at that level. Our team, currently, doesn't look like it has that potential. Like the majority of teams, they'll have to prove it for people outside their fan base to believe it.

Anyways, apologies again for the unnecessary garbage last night and I hope to avoid similar trashy comments in the future.

(p.s. I actually thought of that, Cap'N, when I was posting my reply last night: "What do you expect them to have as a tag line?" Like I said, though...senseless and misdirected. Sorry.)

I don't demand perfection, I demand that they play like they give a Dung.

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Cash, I think we all knew what you meant. Sure the tone was poor, but most of it needed to be said. From my perspective at least.

I think the people it pissed off, understand the underlying message; without the insults.

Again, that is just my take.

rooneypoo wrote:

CockRoche wrote:

Whoever says that you can't make more than $200,000 on a two-way contract in the AHL, better check their facts. I will leave it at that and be happy I can't see most of his posts unless quoted by others.

There is most definitely a ceiling in terms of what a player on an ELC deal can make in the AHL. Try reading what I write before getting all "I know the CBA like the back of my hand", Notch. This is stuff I know as well as anybody.

9.4 Minor League Compensation. Each SPC entered into with a Rookie in the
Entry Level System shall automatically be deemed to be a "two way" SPC with a minor league salary equal to the Paragraph 1 Minor League Salary set forth in such SPC or, if no minor league salary is set forth, the greater of (i) $35,000 (Native Currency) and (ii) the minimum minor league salary provided for Players in the Minors; provided, however, in no event may such an SPC provide for minor league compensation, including any bonuses for games played, greater than the amount indicated on the following chart:
Draft Year Maximum Minor League
Compensation (Native Currency)
2005 $ 62,500
2006 $ 62,500
2007 $ 65,000
2008 $ 65,000
2009 $ 67,500
2010 $ 67,500
2011 $ 70,000
A Group 1 Player may not contract for or receive any bonuses for minor league service other than a games played bonus. If the NHLPA elects its right to extend this Agreement to 2012, as set forth in Article 3, the maximum minor league compensation in 2012 shall be $70,000 (Native Currency). The maximum compensation payable to a Group 1 Player who is playing in the Major Juniors shall be $10,500 per League Year.

Thanks to the 2 people that left me Private Messages and alerted me to this message.

Rooneypoo, thanks for posting the ELC two-way contract. Too bad I never mentioned ELC's and nobody else did either. We weren't talking about 2-way entry-level contracts, not even close. Foligno was the contract we were talking about, is he on an entr-level contract? Read the post you yourself quoted of mine. I clearly stated that if you think that players can't make more than $200,000in the AHL on a two-way, you better check your facts.

Don't put words in my mouth to try and prove me wrong. You're insecurites are showing.

You asked me awhile ago not to respond to your posts - back to the insecurity thing - so I did you the honour of blocking you. Now, I ask you the same courtesy.

Thanks again to my 2 friends that sent me a PM and had my back. Don't be afraid to stand up to Rooneypoo, he just thinks he is always right.

rooneypoo wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:Capgeek is wrong. He signed a one way deal.

Most def. You can't even make that much money in the minors on a two-way deal. The cap ceiling for the two-way component of the two-way deal is something like $150K or $200K. Players on one-way deals play in the minors at the full price tag, but if you've got a two-way deal, then the two-way part of the contract has to be under $200K, I believe.

Check Locke's contract...

http://www.capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=1269

*changing topic*

Wow. I come back to read all kinds of crap going on up in here... this place has gone to hell. Holy moly.

shabbs wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:Capgeek is wrong. He signed a one way deal.

Most def. You can't even make that much money in the minors on a two-way deal. The cap ceiling for the two-way component of the two-way deal is something like $150K or $200K. Players on one-way deals play in the minors at the full price tag, but if you've got a two-way deal, then the two-way part of the contract has to be under $200K, I believe.

Check Locke's contract...

http://www.capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=1269

Exactly.

shabbs wrote:
Wow. I come back to read all kinds of crap going on up in here... this place has gone to hell. Holy moly.

Go find me one forum where Sens fans are talking that doesn't have a ton of negativity right now.

Just one.

Frankly, this place is one of the more down to earth forums IMO. On HF there are people calling for "Fire Murray", "Trade Phillips" <-----might be fair enough, "Trade Fisher" also fair, "Fire Clouston". Go check around Shabbs, it's a lot of fun right now to be a Sens fan, and you'll see that GM is FAR from the only place that's 'gone to hell'.

CockRoche wrote:

shabbs wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:Capgeek is wrong. He signed a one way deal.

Most def. You can't even make that much money in the minors on a two-way deal. The cap ceiling for the two-way component of the two-way deal is something like $150K or $200K. Players on one-way deals play in the minors at the full price tag, but if you've got a two-way deal, then the two-way part of the contract has to be under $200K, I believe.

Check Locke's contract...

http://www.capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=1269

Exactly.

Yikes. Good for him. I guess when you've firmly established yourself as an elite AHLer, you get paid for it. That's great, but I'd love it if he could transfer some of that to the N.

SpezDispenser wrote:

shabbs wrote:
Wow. I come back to read all kinds of crap going on up in here... this place has gone to hell. Holy moly.

Go find me one forum where Sens fans are talking that doesn't have a ton of negativity right now.

Just one.

Frankly, this place is one of the more down to earth forums IMO. On HF there are people calling for "Fire Murray", "Trade Phillips" <-----might be fair enough, "Trade Fisher" also fair, "Fire Clouston". Go check around Shabbs, it's a lot of fun right now to be a Sens fan, and you'll see that GM is FAR from the only place that's 'gone to hell'.

I apologize for one of my posts which I have since deleted after a conversation with a couple different people.

SpezDispenser wrote:

shabbs wrote:
Wow. I come back to read all kinds of crap going on up in here... this place has gone to hell. Holy moly.

Go find me one forum where Sens fans are talking that doesn't have a ton of negativity right now.

Just one.

Frankly, this place is one of the more down to earth forums IMO. On HF there are people calling for "Fire Murray", "Trade Phillips" <-----might be fair enough, "Trade Fisher" also fair, "Fire Clouston". Go check around Shabbs, it's a lot of fun right now to be a Sens fan, and you'll see that GM is FAR from the only place that's 'gone to hell'.

I expect that crap on HF. Not here.

shabbs wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

shabbs wrote:
Wow. I come back to read all kinds of crap going on up in here... this place has gone to hell. Holy moly.

Go find me one forum where Sens fans are talking that doesn't have a ton of negativity right now.

Just one.

Frankly, this place is one of the more down to earth forums IMO. On HF there are people calling for "Fire Murray", "Trade Phillips" <-----might be fair enough, "Trade Fisher" also fair, "Fire Clouston". Go check around Shabbs, it's a lot of fun right now to be a Sens fan, and you'll see that GM is FAR from the only place that's 'gone to hell'.

I expect that crap on HF. Not here.

We've had our moments on here when the general feeling has been totally negative. Remember how bad things were near the end of the Hartsburg tenure. The mood here was downright hostile towards the team.

shabbs wrote:I expect that crap on HF. Not here.

It goes hand in hand with being passionate fans at times. At HF they do it all the time - I've started to ween myself off that place completely and stay here all the time - although there are times when no one's on and I have to rant at someone, or just chat.

A lot of people here have been amazingly patient, but there comes a time Shabbs....where it becomes hard to be so patient. But yes, all the talk of trading and firing is a little much - and I'm a culprit for sure - still though, there has to be a few changes IMO. The culture of this team needs to change. It started with Erik Karlsson being drafted and being placed in the lineup, but now certain other parts of the Sens need to be looked at. Ideally a shutdown D-man and a sniping winger and possibly even a 1A goalie.

I've always really liked your contributions Shabbs, but when you're not around for long stretches, you miss a lot of the excitement on prospects, on wins - you basically miss the good times and come and see the bad after one of the most horrible last two weeks in the last few years for the Sens.

Sheriff Shabbs is back in town

Pessimists are just well-informed optimists. We have every right to be negative about this team. To me, if you're overly optimistic you are just setting yourself up for disappointment (like all those people who had Ottawa winning the division - give me a break).

I'm honestly surprised that a lot of people are surprised at how average this team is. This team has been the same for the last 4 years, basically. I said they would make the playoffs, but anyone can in the East really.

CockRoche wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

CockRoche wrote:

Whoever says that you can't make more than $200,000 on a two-way contract in the AHL, better check their facts. I will leave it at that and be happy I can't see most of his posts unless quoted by others.

There is most definitely a ceiling in terms of what a player on an ELC deal can make in the AHL. Try reading what I write before getting all "I know the CBA like the back of my hand", Notch. This is stuff I know as well as anybody.

9.4 Minor League Compensation. Each SPC entered into with a Rookie in the
Entry Level System shall automatically be deemed to be a "two way" SPC with a minor league salary equal to the Paragraph 1 Minor League Salary set forth in such SPC or, if no minor league salary is set forth, the greater of (i) $35,000 (Native Currency) and (ii) the minimum minor league salary provided for Players in the Minors; provided, however, in no event may such an SPC provide for minor league compensation, including any bonuses for games played, greater than the amount indicated on the following chart:
Draft Year Maximum Minor League
Compensation (Native Currency)
2005 $ 62,500
2006 $ 62,500
2007 $ 65,000
2008 $ 65,000
2009 $ 67,500
2010 $ 67,500
2011 $ 70,000
A Group 1 Player may not contract for or receive any bonuses for minor league service other than a games played bonus. If the NHLPA elects its right to extend this Agreement to 2012, as set forth in Article 3, the maximum minor league compensation in 2012 shall be $70,000 (Native Currency). The maximum compensation payable to a Group 1 Player who is playing in the Major Juniors shall be $10,500 per League Year.

Thanks to the 2 people that left me Private Messages and alerted me to this message.

Rooneypoo, thanks for posting the ELC two-way contract. Too bad I never mentioned ELC's and nobody else did either. We weren't talking about 2-way entry-level contracts, not even close. Foligno was the contract we were talking about, is he on an entr-level contract? Read the post you yourself quoted of mine. I clearly stated that if you think that players can't make more than $200,000in the AHL on a two-way, you better check your facts.

Don't put words in my mouth to try and prove me wrong. You're insecurites are showing.

You asked me awhile ago not to respond to your posts - back to the insecurity thing - so I did you the honour of blocking you. Now, I ask you the same courtesy.

Thanks again to my 2 friends that sent me a PM and had my back. Don't be afraid to stand up to Rooneypoo, he just thinks he is always right.

I'm not allowed to respond to this public ripping, apparently, because then I would be publicly ripping someone and that would be wrong. You see the logic. Thus and so.

Cool, the monkey in the middle is getting a golden shower.

SpezDispenser wrote:

shabbs wrote:I expect that crap on HF. Not here.

It goes hand in hand with being passionate fans at times. At HF they do it all the time - I've started to ween myself off that place completely and stay here all the time - although there are times when no one's on and I have to rant at someone, or just chat.

A lot of people here have been amazingly patient, but there comes a time Shabbs....where it becomes hard to be so patient. But yes, all the talk of trading and firing is a little much - and I'm a culprit for sure - still though, there has to be a few changes IMO. The culture of this team needs to change. It started with Erik Karlsson being drafted and being placed in the lineup, but now certain other parts of the Sens need to be looked at. Ideally a shutdown D-man and a sniping winger and possibly even a 1A goalie.

I've always really liked your contributions Shabbs, but when you're not around for long stretches, you miss a lot of the excitement on prospects, on wins - you basically miss the good times and come and see the bad after one of the most horrible last two weeks in the last few years for the Sens.

Forget a 1A goalie. We need a clear number one goalie, and a clear number two goalie.