Sens on July 1st, Free Agents, Trades - Interesting storylines to watch.

hemlock wrote:

marakh wrote:The way some people talk it sounds like we just signed MA Bergeron

Wow. You're really reaching here.

People aren't allowed to dislike this signing? I've been the most vocal today about this, and I've freely acknowledged his offensive abilities. It's everyone else who needs to take the rose coloured glasses off and realize that Gonchar isn't the be all end all. In fact, I see plenty of downside to this deal, which I've stated more than once. Very few people here want to even acknowledge that.

hemlock wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

hemlock wrote:

marakh wrote:The way some people talk it sounds like we just signed MA Bergeron

Wow. You're really reaching here.

People aren't allowed to dislike this signing? I've been the most vocal today about this, and I've freely acknowledged his offensive abilities. It's everyone else who needs to take the rose coloured glasses off and realize that Gonchar isn't the be all end all. In fact, I see plenty of downside to this deal, which I've stated more than once. Very few people here want to even acknowledge that.

Bang on. I love Gonchar's offense, but I don't think he puts us over the top. I'd put the East right now at 1) Pittsburgh 2) Washington 3) Philadelphia 4) Ottawa.

Let's not forget about Boston, who could be better as well with a full year out of Lucic and Savard (if he's still there).

I think we are still a middle of the (playoff) pack team and should finish around 5th in the conference.

The thing that's being overlooked about Gonchar he too, is the fact that he's missed 77 games in the past two seasons. That's damn near half the games. He won't be so much of a bargain if we average 40 games out of him at $5.5 million will he?

hemlock wrote:

N4L wrote:

hemlock wrote:

marakh wrote:The way some people talk it sounds like we just signed MA Bergeron

Wow. You're really reaching here.

People aren't allowed to dislike this signing? I've been the most vocal today about this, and I've freely acknowledged his offensive abilities. It's everyone else who needs to take the rose coloured glasses off and realize that Gonchar isn't the be all end all. In fact, I see plenty of downside to this deal, which I've stated more than once. Very few people here want to even acknowledge that.

The downside is Gonchar getting injured, that's about all I can see. If
he's healthy he gets 60-70 points, he is jsut as good defensivly, maybe
better then A Train, and he is a guy a lot of the kids like KArlsson
can learn from.

There isnt a whole mess of downside here.

We must be watching a different player. He's nothing special defensively from what I've seen and have tendencies to be lazy. We are not anywhere close to being as good defensively with him as opposed to when we had Sutton and Volchenkov.

Sens4thecup wrote:Is that enough to sign those three RFA's? Or is Murray looking to deal now?

marakh wrote:

hemlock wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

hemlock wrote:

marakh wrote:The way some people talk it sounds like we just signed MA Bergeron

Wow. You're really reaching here.

People aren't allowed to dislike this signing? I've been the most vocal today about this, and I've freely acknowledged his offensive abilities. It's everyone else who needs to take the rose coloured glasses off and realize that Gonchar isn't the be all end all. In fact, I see plenty of downside to this deal, which I've stated more than once. Very few people here want to even acknowledge that.

Bang on. I love Gonchar's offense, but I don't think he puts us over the top. I'd put the East right now at 1) Pittsburgh 2) Washington 3) Philadelphia 4) Ottawa.

Let's not forget about Boston, who could be better as well with a full year out of Lucic and Savard (if he's still there).

I think we are still a middle of the (playoff) pack team and should finish around 5th in the conference.

The thing that's being overlooked about Gonchar he too, is the fact that he's missed 77 games in the past two seasons. That's damn near half the games. He won't be so much of a bargain if we average 40 games out of him at $5.5 million will he?

No, you're right, an injured Gonchar most of the season and it's a failure.
Here's the thing, I think the signing is overpaid by 0.5M. So considering that, what exactly could we do here with 0.5M more in cap space?

marakh wrote:

hemlock wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

hemlock wrote:

marakh wrote:The way some people talk it sounds like we just signed MA Bergeron

Wow. You're really reaching here.

People aren't allowed to dislike this signing? I've been the most vocal today about this, and I've freely acknowledged his offensive abilities. It's everyone else who needs to take the rose coloured glasses off and realize that Gonchar isn't the be all end all. In fact, I see plenty of downside to this deal, which I've stated more than once. Very few people here want to even acknowledge that.

Bang on. I love Gonchar's offense, but I don't think he puts us over the top. I'd put the East right now at 1) Pittsburgh 2) Washington 3) Philadelphia 4) Ottawa.

Let's not forget about Boston, who could be better as well with a full year out of Lucic and Savard (if he's still there).

I think we are still a middle of the (playoff) pack team and should finish around 5th in the conference.

The thing that's being overlooked about Gonchar he too, is the fact that he's missed 77 games in the past two seasons. That's damn near half the games. He won't be so much of a bargain if we average 40 games out of him at $5.5 million will he?

No, you're right, an injured Gonchar most of the season and it's a failure.
Here's the thing, I think the signing is overpaid by 0.5M. So considering that, what exactly could we do here with 0.5M more in cap space?

hemlock wrote:

marakh wrote:

hemlock wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

hemlock wrote:

marakh wrote:The way some people talk it sounds like we just signed MA Bergeron

Wow. You're really reaching here.

People aren't allowed to dislike this signing? I've been the most vocal today about this, and I've freely acknowledged his offensive abilities. It's everyone else who needs to take the rose coloured glasses off and realize that Gonchar isn't the be all end all. In fact, I see plenty of downside to this deal, which I've stated more than once. Very few people here want to even acknowledge that.

Bang on. I love Gonchar's offense, but I don't think he puts us over the top. I'd put the East right now at 1) Pittsburgh 2) Washington 3) Philadelphia 4) Ottawa.

Let's not forget about Boston, who could be better as well with a full year out of Lucic and Savard (if he's still there).

I think we are still a middle of the (playoff) pack team and should finish around 5th in the conference.

The thing that's being overlooked about Gonchar he too, is the fact that he's missed 77 games in the past two seasons. That's damn near half the games. He won't be so much of a bargain if we average 40 games out of him at $5.5 million will he?

No, you're right, an injured Gonchar most of the season and it's a failure.
Here's the thing, I think the signing is overpaid by 0.5M. So considering that, what exactly could we do here with 0.5M more in cap space?

So you think $5 million is reasonable for Gonchar? Ok then, what could we have done? Signed Paul Martin instead. Despite being not as good offensively, he's easily as good defensively (I think he's better) and isn't in his adult diaper years as a hockey player.

Big Ev wrote:No thanks (re: Donovan).

sens4win wrote:

Big Ev wrote:No thanks (re: Donovan).

he has a man crush on Donovan...

marakh wrote:

hemlock wrote:

marakh wrote:

hemlock wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

hemlock wrote:

marakh wrote:The way some people talk it sounds like we just signed MA Bergeron

Wow. You're really reaching here.

People aren't allowed to dislike this signing? I've been the most vocal today about this, and I've freely acknowledged his offensive abilities. It's everyone else who needs to take the rose coloured glasses off and realize that Gonchar isn't the be all end all. In fact, I see plenty of downside to this deal, which I've stated more than once. Very few people here want to even acknowledge that.

Bang on. I love Gonchar's offense, but I don't think he puts us over the top. I'd put the East right now at 1) Pittsburgh 2) Washington 3) Philadelphia 4) Ottawa.

Let's not forget about Boston, who could be better as well with a full year out of Lucic and Savard (if he's still there).

I think we are still a middle of the (playoff) pack team and should finish around 5th in the conference.

The thing that's being overlooked about Gonchar he too, is the fact that he's missed 77 games in the past two seasons. That's damn near half the games. He won't be so much of a bargain if we average 40 games out of him at $5.5 million will he?

No, you're right, an injured Gonchar most of the season and it's a failure.
Here's the thing, I think the signing is overpaid by 0.5M. So considering that, what exactly could we do here with 0.5M more in cap space?

So you think $5 million is reasonable for Gonchar? Ok then, what could we have done? Signed Paul Martin instead. Despite being not as good offensively, he's easily as good defensively (I think he's better) and isn't in his adult diaper years as a hockey player.

5 years... We could potentially be paying 3 of Karlsson, Rundblad, Cowen and Wiercioch 4M+ by that time.
And no offense to Martin, I like him but his best year was at 37 pts.

hemlock wrote:

marakh wrote:

hemlock wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

hemlock wrote:

marakh wrote:The way some people talk it sounds like we just signed MA Bergeron

Wow. You're really reaching here.

People aren't allowed to dislike this signing? I've been the most vocal today about this, and I've freely acknowledged his offensive abilities. It's everyone else who needs to take the rose coloured glasses off and realize that Gonchar isn't the be all end all. In fact, I see plenty of downside to this deal, which I've stated more than once. Very few people here want to even acknowledge that.

Bang on. I love Gonchar's offense, but I don't think he puts us over the top. I'd put the East right now at 1) Pittsburgh 2) Washington 3) Philadelphia 4) Ottawa.

Let's not forget about Boston, who could be better as well with a full year out of Lucic and Savard (if he's still there).

I think we are still a middle of the (playoff) pack team and should finish around 5th in the conference.

The thing that's being overlooked about Gonchar he too, is the fact that he's missed 77 games in the past two seasons. That's damn near half the games. He won't be so much of a bargain if we average 40 games out of him at $5.5 million will he?

No, you're right, an injured Gonchar most of the season and it's a failure.
Here's the thing, I think the signing is overpaid by 0.5M. So considering that, what exactly could we do here with 0.5M more in cap space?

So you think $5 million is reasonable for Gonchar? Ok then, what could we have done? Signed Paul Martin instead. Despite being not as good offensively, he's easily as good defensively (I think he's better) and isn't in his adult diaper years as a hockey player.

Flames moves today would be like if Sens brought back Redden & Corvo to solve their problems on the back end.

dennycrane wrote:At noon today, which would have made you happier:

Volchenkov @ 4.25
Gonchar @ 5.5