Ottawa's goaltending - Must read!

N4L wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

N4L wrote:Dude, Howard is not a stud or a Calder Nominee. I hope that was sarcasim because Howard has been ok for Detroit and is basically their only hope this year if they want a long cup run.

What, who are you talking about? It can't be Jimmy Howard, he's been absolutely stellar for Detroit. Amazing.

Hes been OK. No where near a Calder Candiate or a true number 1, anywhere else besides maybe Philly and he is the backup. Detroit has absolutely no goaltending depth.

Elliott has been so much better then Howard this conversation shouldnt be taking place.

I don't understand, je ne comprend pas.

Seriously, I don't understand what you're saying.

SpezDispenser wrote:

N4L wrote:Dude, Howard is not a stud or a Calder Nominee. I hope that was sarcasim because Howard has been ok for Detroit and is basically their only hope this year if they want a long cup run.

What, who are you talking about? It can't be Jimmy Howard, he's been absolutely stellar for Detroit. Amazing.

Yeah he's played really well. Though I don't think he qualifies for calder, wasn't he there last season?? I always thought Elliott and Howard were good comparisions.

Yeah, because the game hanst changed since 2002, haha, the equipment has shrunk either... We should go out and get Hasek too. Hell, its ONLY been 8 years. haha, who else can we get from 8 years ago in the clutch and grab and oversized goaltending era...

cloverleaf wrote:

theodore won the hart trophy only 8 years ago.

Exactly everyone's point here. He sucks now. Hart trophy winners don't let a european rookie take over in the playoffs.

Michallica wrote:
Yeah he's played really well. Though I don't think he qualifies for calder, wasn't he there last season?? I always thought Elliott and Howard were good comparisions.

No, they brought him along really slowly. He's played 8 previous games for Detroit (or something like that).

SpezDispenser wrote:

N4L wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

N4L wrote:Dude, Howard is not a stud or a Calder Nominee. I hope that was sarcasim because Howard has been ok for Detroit and is basically their only hope this year if they want a long cup run.

What, who are you talking about? It can't be Jimmy Howard, he's been absolutely stellar for Detroit. Amazing.

Hes been OK. No where near a Calder Candiate or a true number 1, anywhere else besides maybe Philly and he is the backup. Detroit has absolutely no goaltending depth.

Elliott has been so much better then Howard this conversation shouldnt be taking place.

I don't understand, je ne comprend pas.

Seriously, I don't understand what you're saying.

Howard has been solid for Detroit but that is a team that keeps absolutely everything to the outside, Howard actually has cost Detroit a few games this year as opposed to stealing one. Detroit lets up so few scoring chances in Babcocks system its hard for a goalie to not look decent in that system, but Howard has defently been awful on a lot of nights that the stats just dont show.

A lot of the goals he lets in are weak and back breaking.

Michallica wrote:

cloverleaf wrote:

theodore won the hart trophy only 8 years ago.

Exactly everyone's point here. He sucks now. Hart trophy winners don't let a european rookie take over in the playoffs.

Or have a goalie from France take their spot in the province they grew up and won The Hart Trophy.

N4L wrote:

Michallica wrote:

cloverleaf wrote:

theodore won the hart trophy only 8 years ago.

Exactly everyone's point here. He sucks now. Hart trophy winners don't let a european rookie take over in the playoffs.

Or have a goalie from France take their spot in the province they grew up and won The Hart Trophy.

HAHA theodore is sooooo bad, the likes of huet had to replace him!

Yup, Colorado decided to go with Budji as well, ouch. But yeah, LETS SIGN THEODORE! A guy who can turn a first place team into a 1st round dissapointment.

Ill take Leclaire thanks, and Elliott, and hell, probably even Brodure.

N4L wrote:
Howard has been solid for Detroit but that is a team that keeps absolutely everything to the outside, Howard actually has cost Detroit a few games this year as opposed to stealing one. Detroit lets up so few scoring chances in Babcocks system its hard for a goalie to not look decent in that system, but Howard has defently been awful on a lot of nights that the stats just dont show.

A lot of the goals he lets in are weak and back breaking.

He's stolen some games for Detroit no question. When Datsyuk, Franzen and Zetterberg were out, Howard was a hero for keeping Detroit in the mix. While I can agree that he lets up the odd softie, he's been a shocking surprised in Detroit (because they kept him in the AHL so long I guess). I disagree here, but that's life. I think Howard's a great young goalie with a fantastic future.

Howard has been better than Elliott this year, and that's a fact. He started off the year letting in bad goals every game, but since Christmas he has been great. His stats are great while playing on an 8th place team.

Howard would get my vote for the Calder, with Myers and Duchene close behind.

cloverleaf wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

N4L wrote:Why do you even bother with Notch... he says the same thing every time. Fact of the matter is Lehner is almost garenteed to be in The AHL next year.

All that article was fantasy hockey league losers trying to come up with somehting to talk about. Elliott wins games and Leclaire when healty is as tallented as any goaltender in the league. Lehner is a top 3 prospect in Ottawa and will be ready for AHL action next year. Thats the long and short of it.

It's just opinions, I love talking hockey, it doesn't hurt anyone to hear another POV - even though this one I can't really understand, the rest of the article was interesting enough. I don't know if I'd draft 2-3 goalies this year, maybe one though.

that's funny. sometimes i wonder what this means"
"This post was made by N4L who is currently on your ignore list. Display this post."
but then i realize he is blocked for a reason. the post you quoted being one of them. i thank my God that his posts are not quoted often.

Well, in that case ... prepare for the Multi-Quotinator!

N4L wrote:Pretty short sighted article. Compared to goaltending depth in The NHL... where is the goaltending depth obviously strong then Ottawa. Vancouver, Pheonix, Calgary, San Jose, maybe Boston and Carolina, other then that, I would put Ottawa in about thr 8-12 range in terms of goaltending and the teams depth. They have 3 goaltenders who have played in The NHL this year and the only one currently not on the team is 3-0. Lehner coming on strong and will be an NHL goaltender.

This article was a desperate attempt to try and make a big deal over something that is actually in pretty good shape looking around the league.

Washington, Philly, Chicago, Detroit, all teams that are expecting to go far and have far worse goaltending then Ottawa, it isnt even close.

N4L wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

cloverleaf wrote:or you could taper you expectations down to a normal level and understand that Lehner is nothing more than a very good goalie prospect who needs a lot more seasoning. Why is that so hard to understand?
19 year old goalies in the pros do not fair well the majority of the time, same with 20 year olds and 21...
Just because the state of our goaltending is bottom 5 in the league, doesn't mean you can make Lehner progress like a forward can.
it really is that clear.

It's not that clear IMO. I would say, depending on the mental and physical makeup of the goalie, that 20 years old is fine and dandy for making the jump to the NHL. Lehner came to NA and went right to one of the worst teams in the OHL and has carried them. When he doesn't play, their record is horrible, when he does play, their record is 25-13. That's ridiculous, that means he's an impact player who has been well schooled in the techniques of the game.

I would bet cold hard $$ that he's in the AHL next year. How he'll do is another story, but I think he'll be there.

Why do you even bother with Notch... he says the same thing every time. Fact of the matter is Lehner is almost garenteed to be in The AHL next year.

All that article was fantasy hockey league losers trying to come up with somehting to talk about. Elliott wins games and Leclaire when healty is as tallented as any goaltender in the league. Lehner is a top 3 prospect in Ottawa and will be ready for AHL action next year. Thats the long and short of it.

N4L wrote:

cloverleaf wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

cloverleaf wrote:or you could taper you expectations down to a normal level and understand that Lehner is nothing more than a very good goalie prospect who needs a lot more seasoning. Why is that so hard to understand?
19 year old goalies in the pros do not fair well the majority of the time, same with 20 year olds and 21...
Just because the state of our goaltending is bottom 5 in the league, doesn't mean you can make Lehner progress like a forward can.
it really is that clear.

It's not that clear IMO. I would say, depending on the mental and physical makeup of the goalie, that 20 years old is fine and dandy for making the jump to the NHL. Lehner came to NA and went right to one of the worst teams in the OHL and has carried them. When he doesn't play, their record is horrible, when he does play, their record is 25-13. That's ridiculous, that means he's an impact player who has been well schooled in the techniques of the game.

I would bet cold hard $$ that he's in the AHL next year. How he'll do is another story, but I think he'll be there.

cool. and in the meantime we play with elliott and leclaire again? and the year after that?
when would it be time to get a true #1? Hopefully this offseason when there are some good UFA's available. nabokov, ellis, biron, turco, theodore are available off the top of my head. not saying all those would be who we should be looking at but, we need to do something to improve our tender situation because it is horrendous

Yeah, because those goaltenders are are better then Leclaire and Elliott. Try again. Go play fantasy hockey or make some NHL10 trades or what ever it is you enjoy doing.

MU-ah-ha-ha-ha!

Big Ev wrote:Howard has been better than Elliott this year, and that's a fact. He started off the year letting in bad goals every game, but since Christmas he has been great. His stats are great while playing on an 8th place team.

Howard would get my vote for the Calder, with Myers and Duchene close behind.

Prove it then. He got pulled less then 2 weeks ago as well and Chicago lit him up for 4 on Sunday as well.

You say an 8th place team like that is what Detroit is and where the stand in terms of how good that team actually is. If you think Howard should get the calder ahead of Myers and Duchene, haha, dude, you are not right in the head. Buuuuut I forgot who I was talking to.

You wanna say Howard has been solid, good, I think he has as well. He has costed Detroit games this year though on more then one occasion, he has been pulled as much as any goaltender in The NHL, and he has still yet to prove he can win on a consistant basis. Elliott has proven where he goes, wins follow.

So again, present these facts with proof. Elliott was better then Howard in The NCAA, in The AHL, and so far, in The NHL as well. So lets hear these facts.

Elliott - 42 games, 2.62, .908 - quite good

Howard - 47 games, 2.37, .924

Howard has almost 400 more shots taken on him than Elliott - and I personally don't care where the shots are taken from, they still have to be stopped.

I hope that Elliott can put up those numbers at some point, because dude, those are some stellar numbers. Come on, give Howard some credit.

SpezDispenser wrote:

N4L wrote:
Howard has been solid for Detroit but that is a team that keeps absolutely everything to the outside, Howard actually has cost Detroit a few games this year as opposed to stealing one. Detroit lets up so few scoring chances in Babcocks system its hard for a goalie to not look decent in that system, but Howard has defently been awful on a lot of nights that the stats just dont show.

A lot of the goals he lets in are weak and back breaking.

He's stolen some games for Detroit no question. When Datsyuk, Franzen and Zetterberg were out, Howard was a hero for keeping Detroit in the mix. While I can agree that he lets up the odd softie, he's been a shocking surprised in Detroit (because they kept him in the AHL so long I guess). I disagree here, but that's life. I think Howard's a great young goalie with a fantastic future.

Yup, I do too but to say he has been good enough to be a Calder Candidate is way too much. He has been solid for a little while now and seems to be gainign confidence which is good, him and Elliott are very much on the same kind of path.

There are rookies like Myers, Duchene, OèReiley, Del Zatto, Burgfores, Kane, hell, Rask has been phenominal in Boston, thats a goaltender I would put ahead of Howard.

Disregard my last post then, as long as you recognize the achievement that Howard is making, that's fine, he won't be nominated anyway I don't think. Not with Myers, Duchene and O'Reilly in there.

SpezDispenser wrote:Elliott - 42 games, 2.62, .908 - quite good

Howard - 47 games, 2.37, .924

Howard has almost 400 more shots taken on him than Elliott - and I personally don't care where the shots are taken from, they still have to be stopped.

I hope that Elliott can put up those numbers at some point, because dude, those are some stellar numbers. Come on, give Howard some credit.

Absolutely, but they are not always stopped from where they are taken and should be. If those goals go in on a goaltender in Ottawa the sun actually doesnt rise the next day.

The scoring chances Detroit lets up are far and few between. Elliott doesnt have the luxury of having arguably the best team defense in The NHL in front of him. Detroit is the team where coaches say, shoot it from anywhere, it could go in. Now, that is becoming less and less of an issue with Howard but teams were pilling on shots from the outside because of his inability to stop the easy shot.

It absolutely matters where the shots come from and the defense playing in front of him.