Have your say on the Sens year thus far!

benIII24III wrote:Quick thoughts:
where is the Regin, Shannon Love? both have done quite well, especially Regin in the recent injuries that the Sens suffered.

Picard is my favourite... to boooo. He has struggled a lot this year and has not shown any of the talent he supposedly has.

Leclaire = too soon. but that excuse will get old soon. also he appears to be the china doll I feared he would.

Thank god for Alfie, he really is one of the best captains out there.

Phillips looks like he is getting old. He is starting to make a couple bad decisions a game, and chooses to not make the quick safe pass, just watch for it if you have not noticed.

https://gmcentralhockey.forumotion.net/ottawa-centaurs-f31/the-peter-regin-appreciation-thread-t4079.htm?highlight=regin

There's the Regin Appreciation Thread. A lot of people on here don't love Shannon because he's so hot and cold, but I definitely appreciate what he brings. For the price and the chemistry he has with most on the team, he's a great addition.

Picard does suck, yes.

Leclaire...no one's sure.

I've personally thought Phillips has looked his best ever. I think he makes the passes that he needs to make, makes smarter plays under Clouston and is even a steady offensive player (okay, that might be a stretch). I'm actually very, very pleased with Philly this year.

dennycrane wrote:Bramlet07 is correct. You cannot resign a player that you just bought out.

My thought is that if, and it's a big if, Sens management likes having Cheechoo around, they could offer him an extension to his contract, say 1 yr @ 1 million. As it is right now, Cheechoo has a 3 million cap hit for next year. IF the team wants him around past next season, they could sign him to an extension at a much lower value, thus lowering his cap hit for next season.

It's quite unlikely that Cheechoo is a Sen in the 11-12 season, but you never know.

Agreed. I can't imagine too many teams being interested, but if he's willing to put his name on a contract for around a million per, I'd do it. A million bucks is alot closer in terms of value for what he brings. Of course...there's always Europe.

I don't believe that an extension would help next years cap hit would it? I know that worked with Alfie, but the contract that was extended was grandfathered from the old CBA. I could be way off base here, but I don't believe a extension now would affect his cap hit for next season. Perhaps there's a doctor in the house who could shed some light.

hemlock wrote:

dennycrane wrote:Bramlet07 is correct. You cannot resign a player that you just bought out.

My thought is that if, and it's a big if, Sens management likes having Cheechoo around, they could offer him an extension to his contract, say 1 yr @ 1 million. As it is right now, Cheechoo has a 3 million cap hit for next year. IF the team wants him around past next season, they could sign him to an extension at a much lower value, thus lowering his cap hit for next season.

It's quite unlikely that Cheechoo is a Sen in the 11-12 season, but you never know.

Agreed. I can't imagine too many teams being interested, but if he's willing to put his name on a contract for around a million per, I'd do it. A million bucks is alot closer in terms of value for what he brings. Of course...there's always Europe.

I don't believe that an extension would help next years cap hit would it? I know that worked with Alfie, but the contract that was extended was grandfathered from the old CBA. I could be way off base here, but I don't believe a extension now would affect his cap hit for next season. Perhaps there's a doctor in the house who could shed some light.

Based on Loungo's caphit numbers, I'm saying no, and there isn't much in the CBA about it...this was the best reference to it...
A Club shall only be permitted to sign a Player to an "extension"
of the existing SPC in the amount of: (A) the SPC of the Player to
be extended (then included in the Club's Averaged Club Salary);
plus (B) the Club's Payroll Room in the current year; plus (C) the
aggregate Averaged Amounts of any other SPC or SPCs that
expire at the end of such League Year (to extent the Club has other
such SPCs which are currently counting in the Club's Averaged
Club Salary); minus any previously Tagged Payroll Room. The
Tagging Rule referred to in paragraph (e)(iv)(C) above will

thereafter apply.

hemlock wrote:Agreed. I can't imagine too many teams being interested, but if he's willing to put his name on a contract for around a million per, I'd do it. A million bucks is alot closer in terms of value for what he brings. Of course...there's always Europe.

I don't believe that an extension would help next years cap hit would it? I know that worked with Alfie, but the contract that was extended was grandfathered from the old CBA. I could be way off base here, but I don't believe a extension now would affect his cap hit for next season. Perhaps there's a doctor in the house who could shed some light.

We bought Alfie out, then re-signed him. That's why I was confused, there is a way to buy a guy out and then re-sign him - as we did it with Alfie, but I'm not sure how it works. My guess would be it would have to be consensual between player and team.

Why did they write the CBA like that?

Blah blah a player can only be re-signed if the parameters of the nucleus of the aggregated total, minus to SBP ELC WHL WTF is all even in terms of the arrangement.

What the heck does all that mumbo jumbo mean? Couldn't they have written it in English?

SpezDispenser wrote:Why did they write the CBA like that?

Blah blah a player can only be re-signed if the parameters of the nucleus of the aggregated total, minus to SBP ELC WHL WTF is all even in terms of the arrangement.

What the heck does all that mumbo jumbo mean? Couldn't they have written it in English?

Wing Dang Doodle.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Why did they write the CBA like that?

Blah blah a player can only be re-signed if the parameters of the nucleus of the aggregated total, minus to SBP ELC WHL WTF is all even in terms of the arrangement.

What the heck does all that mumbo jumbo mean? Couldn't they have written it in English?

Wing Dang Doodle.

SpezDispenser wrote:

hemlock wrote:Agreed. I can't imagine too many teams being interested, but if he's willing to put his name on a contract for around a million per, I'd do it. A million bucks is alot closer in terms of value for what he brings. Of course...there's always Europe.

I don't believe that an extension would help next years cap hit would it? I know that worked with Alfie, but the contract that was extended was grandfathered from the old CBA. I could be way off base here, but I don't believe a extension now would affect his cap hit for next season. Perhaps there's a doctor in the house who could shed some light.

We bought Alfie out, then re-signed him. That's why I was confused, there is a way to buy a guy out and then re-sign him - as we did it with Alfie, but I'm not sure how it works. My guess would be it would have to be consensual between player and team.

I distinctly remember there being something with the contract being grandfathered in from the previous CBA. I'm pretty sure that has a big part of the ability to buy-out and re-sign the player.

It had to do with some sort of bonus or deferred salary on his old contract that is no longer allowed under the new CBA. I think They're paying that bonus (or whatever it is) "buy-out" under the same provisions as a buy-out which is why it goes to that line (account)

SpezDispenser wrote:

benIII24III wrote:Quick thoughts:
where is the Regin, Shannon Love? both have done quite well, especially Regin in the recent injuries that the Sens suffered.

Picard is my favourite... to boooo. He has struggled a lot this year and has not shown any of the talent he supposedly has.

Leclaire = too soon. but that excuse will get old soon. also he appears to be the china doll I feared he would.

Thank god for Alfie, he really is one of the best captains out there.

Phillips looks like he is getting old. He is starting to make a couple bad decisions a game, and chooses to not make the quick safe pass, just watch for it if you have not noticed.

http://www.gmhockey.com/ottawa-centaurs-f31/the-peter-regin-appreciation-thread-t4079.htm?highlight=regin

There's the Regin Appreciation Thread. A lot of people on here don't love Shannon because he's so hot and cold, but I definitely appreciate what he brings. For the price and the chemistry he has with most on the team, he's a great addition.

Picard does suck, yes.

Leclaire...no one's sure.

I've personally thought Phillips has looked his best ever. I think he makes the passes that he needs to make, makes smarter plays under Clouston and is even a steady offensive player (okay, that might be a stretch). I'm actually very, very pleased with Philly this year.

I admit Phillips offense has picked up under Clouston's system of having the defense jump up on the play, and it is always great to see the one arm pump. However, Phillips seems to have slowed a step, if not two, and seems happy to let the other teams offense close in on him and battle on the wall, which he has been losing. Although on the current streak I have seen less of that, so maybe it was more of him feeling he needed to do too much during the slump. I still think he is a great player, I am just saying that age is becoming a factor for him.

Also thanks for the Regin thread, I'm still very new and still looking through the forums.

benIII24III wrote:http://www.gmhockey.com/ottawa-centaurs-f31/the-peter-regin-appreciation-thread-t4079.htm?highlight=regin

There's the Regin Appreciation Thread. A lot of people on here don't love Shannon because he's so hot and cold, but I definitely appreciate what he brings. For the price and the chemistry he has with most on the team, he's a great addition.

Picard does suck, yes.

Leclaire...no one's sure.

I've personally thought Phillips has looked his best ever. I think he makes the passes that he needs to make, makes smarter plays under Clouston and is even a steady offensive player (okay, that might be a stretch). I'm actually very, very pleased with Philly this year.

I admit Phillips offense has picked up under Clouston's system of having the defense jump up on the play, and it is always great to see the one arm pump. However, Phillips seems to have slowed a step, if not two, and seems happy to let the other teams offense close in on him and battle on the wall, which he has been losing. Although on the current streak I have seen less of that, so maybe it was more of him feeling he needed to do too much during the slump. I still think he is a great player, I am just saying that age is becoming a factor for him.

Also thanks for the Regin thread, I'm still very new and still looking through the forums.[/quote]

Yeah, no problem, I knew you had just signed on. If you search "Regin" at the top of the page, you'll find all the threads about Regin. Same for any other subject you're looking for. Cowen, Wiercioch, WJC, Devils. I use that as my "search engine" for past threads and discussions.

As for Phillips...you normally wouldn't hear me defend him, but again, I've really thought he's been excellent this year. To me, this is the first time since the Murray years where he looks comfortable - and I find he's playing the best hockey since 07/08 (and 06/07). If you take him away and replace him with Shea Weber, I'd still be pleased as punch though.

I don't think the Sens have anywhere close to the best team in the East. Offensively I would put: Washington, Pittsburgh, Montreal, Philly, Atlanta (Kovalchuk), and Tampa Bay ahead of us. Defensively, including goaltending, i would put: Washington, Pittsburgh, Montreal, Buffalo, New Jersey, Toronto, NYR and Boston ahead of us.

What's making us succeed is our coaching. Technically we shouldn't be any better than last year having lost Heatley and Vermette while gaining Leclaire, Kovalev, and Michalek. We're a well-coached team who strives off team chemistry. While no one on the team has reached my expectations this year (with the exception of Fisher, Neil and Regin), we continue to win. In my mind, coaching this year gets an A+

Kovalfie wrote:I don't think the Sens have anywhere close to the best team in the East. Offensively I would put: Washington, Pittsburgh, Montreal, Philly, Atlanta (Kovalchuk), and Tampa Bay ahead of us. Defensively, including goaltending, i would put: Washington, Pittsburgh, Montreal, Buffalo, New Jersey, Toronto, NYR and Boston ahead of us.

What's making us succeed is our coaching. Technically we shouldn't be any better than last year having lost Heatley and Vermette while gaining Leclaire, Kovalev, and Michalek. We're a well-coached team who strives off team chemistry. While no one on the team has reached my expectations this year (with the exception of Fisher, Neil and Regin), we continue to win. In my mind, coaching this year gets an A+

I'll have to give the coaching an A. Too many penalties for Too many men.

It just reinforces the value of coaching and team chemistry. We may not have the greatest lineup but we're getting more out of them than others making us a better team.

The team on paper is not necessarily the team on the ice.

I hope Clouston doesn't lose the team and wear out his welcome. Coaches have a short lifespan in this league, it seems the players just tune them out after a few years.

Hoags wrote:It just reinforces the value of coaching and team chemistry. We may not have the greatest lineup but we're getting more out of them than others making us a better team.

The team on paper is not necessarily the team on the ice.

I hope Clouston doesn't lose the team and wear out his welcome. Coaches have a short lifespan in this league, it seems the players just tune them out after a few years.

My opinion of that is that no one on the team can't be replaced with the exception of Alfredsson. Everyone else could be replaced if they 'tune' out the coach. I've wanted some stability behind the bench for a long time, and now that we have it, if a guy like Spezza tunes him out, you replace him with Andy McDonald, Fisher, replace with Jason Arnott. And so on and so on.

Again, the only guy you simply cannot replace is Alfie - and that's fine because he wouldn't tune a coach out I don't think. He may have been getting frustrated with Hartsburg, but I doubt he'd tune him out.

Take Fisher for example. As of last practice he's on the 3rd line with Cheechoo.

He may take that as a insult considering the outstanding season he's having so far, and he may feel his role has been diminished(hint). Or he may take that as a challenge to get back to his A++++ game.

It all depends on how the players take it and how the coaching staff rationalises their decisions, which is a lot easier if the team is winning.

Alfie will be retiring at some point and it's up to the organization to find a successor, which is going to be a tall order.

Hoags wrote:Take Fisher for example. As of last practice he's on the 3rd line with Cheechoo.

He may take that as a insult considering the outstanding season he's having so far, and he may feel his role has been diminished(hint). Or he may take that as a challenge to get back to his A++++ game.

It all depends on how the players take it and how the coaching staff rationalises their decisions, which is a lot easier if the team is winning.

Alfie will be retiring at some point and it's up to the organization to find a successor, which is going to be a tall order.

Yeah, Fisher's a good example, because he knows that it's more important for the team to win than for him to get his personal stats. If anything, he'll revert back to his simple game of banging, crashing and letting his wingers drive the net.

Cheechoo and Fisher is an interesting tandem actually. I don't believe we've seen that one yet.

Hoags wrote:Take Fisher for example. As of last practice he's on the 3rd line with Cheechoo.

He may take that as a insult considering the outstanding season he's having so far, and he may feel his role has been diminished(hint). Or he may take that as a challenge to get back to his A++++ game.

It all depends on how the players take it and how the coaching staff rationalises their decisions, which is a lot easier if the team is winning.

Alfie will be retiring at some point and it's up to the organization to find a successor, which is going to be a tall order.

Fisher's challenge was to get back to his A++++ game when the injuries hit the hardest and all he had was his A game which is nothing spectacular. That stretch was a real eye-opener to the coach, I'm sure.

The cream (Regin) rose to the top in that situation and we now see the results. It's pretty refreshing to have a coach who's not afraid to do what's best for the team instead of what's preferable to his "star" players.