Sens opening night roster for the 2009/10 season

I disagree, there is no way SJ won that trade by "a country mile".

cloverleaf wrote:Well at least some of you realize now that cheechoo is useless and was an absolute cap hit throw in when it comes to the heatley trade that san jose won by a country mile. Z. Smith can do twice the job cheechoo can at fraction of the cost.

Possibly, but I can't say that the Sharks won this trade. They got their former 50 goal man who's still young, but he carries a massive cap hit of 7.5 million. That's gonna end up handcuffing them at some point, just as it did to us. Michalek at 4.3 is absolutely perfect in today's NHL - perfect. He's fast, he PKs, he's a big boy, he's young - the full package at almost half of Heatley's cap hit - and signed for just as long. As far as Cheechoo goes, I think you might be surprised once he finds his rhythm. Is he what he used to be? Probably not, but he can still notch 20 goals IMO - especially on the PP and with Clouston as his coach. And the good news there is that his contract ends after next season, so we're not saddled with 5 more years of this guy. If need be, we can even buy him out in the summer for a 1 million dollar cap hit for 2 years, not exactly the end of the world - and throw in a 2nd rounder and it's gravy - especially remembering that we got Wiercioch and Lehner from 2nd round picks in the last two drafts.

Cheechoo is not going to thrive in a third line role with no power play time. I don't know if he has truly seen such a drop in his skills that he is inneffective but if you think he is destined to struggle, putting him on the third line is a self fulfilling prophecy. He will not score playing 12 minutes a game 5 on 5, he just won't.

His hands are still there, it is his skating in the post lockout NHL that is being exposed.

RobbyJ wrote:I disagree, there is no way SJ won that trade by "a country mile".

Oh whoops...missed that part. Yeah he's definitely not right...yet. It remains to be seen who wins that trade. If Heatley goes out and puts up 50-50-100 and takes the Sharks past round 2, while Cheechoo puts up 10-20-30 and Michalek puts up 20-20-40, then yeah they would have raped us on that trade.

Do I think that will happen? umm....no.

CCgotITcovered wrote:

RobbyJ wrote:

cloverleaf wrote:Well at least some of you realize now that cheechoo is useless and was an absolute cap hit throw in when it comes to the heatley trade that san jose won by a country mile. Z. Smith can do twice the job cheechoo can at fraction of the cost.

While you are entitled to an opinion, yours is wrong. Getting rid of an unhappy, declining, one dimensional player with 5 more years at a 7.5M cap hit is a victory any way you slice it.

Everyone talks about Heatley a former 50 goal scorer as if he's guaranteed to reach that level again.

3 years ago 50G 105P
2 years ago 41G 82P
Last year 39G 72P

If that trend continues BIG ANCHOR of a contract to have.

I wholeheartedly agree. Getting rid of Heatley was the best thing thats happened to the Sens since the Cup run and the best personnel move since getting rid of Muckler.

I love how Dreger likes to say that Heatley has put up 50 goals in two of the last three years...Its like last year never even happened.

More like two of the last four. But who's counting? Why, me!

SpezDispenser wrote:

cloverleaf wrote:Well at least some of you realize now that cheechoo is useless and was an absolute cap hit throw in when it comes to the heatley trade that san jose won by a country mile. Z. Smith can do twice the job cheechoo can at fraction of the cost.

Possibly, but I can't say that the Sharks won this trade. They got their former 50 goal man who's still young, but he carries a massive cap hit of 7.5 million. That's gonna end up handcuffing them at some point, just as it did to us. Michalek at 4.3 is absolutely perfect in today's NHL - perfect. He's fast, he PKs, he's a big boy, he's young - the full package at almost half of Heatley's cap hit - and signed for just as long. As far as Cheechoo goes, I think you might be surprised once he finds his rhythm. Is he what he used to be? Probably not, but he can still notch 20 goals IMO - especially on the PP and with Clouston as his coach. And the good news there is that his contract ends after next season, so we're not saddled with 5 more years of this guy. If need be, we can even buy him out in the summer for a 1 million dollar cap hit for 2 years, not exactly the end of the world - and throw in a 2nd rounder and it's gravy - especially remembering that we got Wiercioch and Lehner from 2nd round picks in the last two drafts.

And in 3 years when Dany is not happy in San Jose, getting hit a lot more and is exposed for his lack of foot speed... They will be unhappy they let Michalek go.

SpezDispenser wrote:- and throw in a 2nd rounder and it's gravy - especially remembering that we got Wiercioch and Lehner from 2nd round picks in the last two drafts.

I always wonder when people bring up those two names: what about Silfverberg?

I mean, we've all heard about Wiercioch in Denver and some of us have seen him at the DC, while pretty much all of us have watched Lehner dominate, but obviously few, if any of us have seen the surfer.

He was, after all, picked ahead of Lehner. They must have a pretty good feeling about him to do that

MurderOnIce wrote:And in 3 years when Dany is not happy in San Jose, getting hit a lot more and is exposed for his lack of foot speed... They will be unhappy they let Michalek go.

I'll be dead honest, I think they're already kind of regretting letting Michalek go.

CCgotITcovered wrote:I always wonder when people bring up those two names: what about Silfverberg?

I mean, we've all heard about Wiercioch in Denver and some of us have seen him at the DC, while pretty much all of us have watched Lehner dominate, but obviously few, if any of us have seen the surfer.

He was, after all, picked ahead of Lehner. They must have a pretty good feeling about him to do that

Forsberg loves this kid. I forgot about him momentarily, I won't lie.

Cheechoo was cap relief and a throw in but as SpezD has pointed out he only has one more year and he's worth the limited risk in order to get that Heatley deal done and have Heatley not on the Sens roster.

So we took on a cap hit throw-in in order to get Michalek who has great upside and is a solid top six at worst with a decent cap hit and contract plus a second rounder. Sure the value of the players would suggest we lost this trade but seeing as we had to get rid of him Murray pulled a pretty good deal out of SJ under the circumstances.

Now down the road if Murray and Co. pull another Wiercioch/Lehner out of that second rounder and Michalek becomes that regular 30 + goal scorer then I'd say the trade was excellent for the Sens regardless of how Heatley turns out in SJ.

wprager wrote:

CCgotITcovered wrote:

I love how Dreger likes to say that Heatley has put up 50 goals in two of the last three years...Its like last year never even happened.

More like two of the last four. But who's counting? Why, me!

me too and it completely changes the discussion. Saying it like Dreger does makes it sound like he's had only one recent year without hitting that mark, when in fact he hasn't hit the mark for two straight years...

SpezDispenser wrote:

CCgotITcovered wrote:I always wonder when people bring up those two names: what about Silfverberg?

I mean, we've all heard about Wiercioch in Denver and some of us have seen him at the DC, while pretty much all of us have watched Lehner dominate, but obviously few, if any of us have seen the surfer.

He was, after all, picked ahead of Lehner. They must have a pretty good feeling about him to do that

Forsberg loves this kid. I forgot about him momentarily, I won't lie.

We all do, Spez; we all do.

cloverleaf wrote:Well at least some of you realize now that cheechoo is useless and was an absolute cap hit throw in when it comes to the heatley trade that san jose won by a country mile. Z. Smith can do twice the job cheechoo can at fraction of the cost.

Although I respect your opinion Clover, I think you're wrong in this respect. Cheechoo may or may not rebound, but Michalek and the 2nd more than make up for it.

Signed,

Neely.

SpezDispenser wrote:

MurderOnIce wrote:And in 3 years when Dany is not happy in San Jose, getting hit a lot more and is exposed for his lack of foot speed... They will be unhappy they let Michalek go.

I'll be dead honest, I think they're already kind of regretting letting Michalek go.

I dont see how adding Heatley and taking out Michalek, Ehroff, and Cheechoo makes them a better team, at all.

N4L wrote:

cloverleaf wrote:Well at least some of you realize now that cheechoo is useless and was an absolute cap hit throw in when it comes to the heatley trade that san jose won by a country mile. Z. Smith can do twice the job cheechoo can at fraction of the cost.

Although I respect your opinion Clover, I think you're wrong in this respect. Cheechoo may or may not rebound, but Michalek and the 2nd more than make up for it.

Signed,

Neely.

Hahaha, whaaaaaaat.

Loosing Michalek and Erhoff has to hurt that team. How can it not? What have they replaced those two with?

Having Cheechoo there as a hard workign guy and one of the only players who shows up during the playoffs will hurt too. Tons of character was traded away for what? Maybe 50 regular season goals?

San Jose is on the decline it a big way.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Loosing Michalek and Erhoff has to hurt that team. How can it not? What have they replaced those two with?

Michalek is a heart-breaker for them. They are soooooooooooooo lucky they didn't get desperate and let Clowe and Michalek go, they'd be dead in the water right now. Ehrhoff is a weak little dude from a lot of people I've talked to. Put the pressure on him and watch him wilt - like Heatley.