Bingo Sens Talk

Big Ev wrote:Heard the same thing last year and he played well enough to get 9 games. He'll be even better this year.

I'll guarantee he is in the NHL at least to start the season.

If Bingo is crap again, you don't want a guy like him playing there. He doesn't need AHL time IMO.

IMO, he needs to go to the AHL and play with Mark Stone and one of Petersson or Prince or Hoffman and start producing in NA, getting comfortable with his game, trying things, learning. MacLean wanted him to stay, I remember that, but he'll get him eventually and it will be for a long time. Again, why not build his confidence in the AHL before thrusting him right into the NHL?

You can't just give or hand over a spot to a player. What has Zibanejad doen to earn a spot over anyone else?

Riprock wrote:Evan, you have a serious man-crush on him. Don't get me wrong, I too at one point had high hopes, but you really have to take his injuries seriously and his inexperience as well as poor performance in Djurgarden. Doesn't scream someone that wants to try. Silfverberg on the other hand is a completely different story. Told the Sens he wasn't ready, then leads his team to a championship, and is the MVP of both regular season and playoffs.

Wow this post has so many things wrong with it. First of all, he did not have a poor performance in Djurgarden. Anyone who expected an 18 y ear old to dominate the SEL was CLUELESS. Only so many can do that. He displayed his skills at the Worlds, and he displayed his skills throughout the season. His team was GARBAGE and he had 3 HEAD COACHES this year. 3! Anyone who stays motivated during that is on another planet. Every player on Djrugarden was affected.

Secondly, I'm not really giving you my OPINION here. I am PREDICTING that he will be in the NHL based on a variety of factors I have and will explain. Doesn't mean I think that's right (which I do).

no his injuries are not serious at all.

And really, yeah, let's compare him to a guy whose 3 years older and was playing in the league for 4 years. Zibanejad played in the league for 25 games or so prior to this season. For Diddle sakes, this is such a case of the shiny new toy syndrome, and people getting their info from some Cussing unknown Swedish guy sitting on his couch.

Go look at how many highly touted Swedes play in the AHL. Answer: close to NONE. People who don't think he has a serious chance of making the Sens next year are not thinking straight, or they're just fickle and have given up on a guy after a year away from the team. Probably the latter.

and that comment of "doesn't scream someone who wants to try"? First you say he had injuries so that should explain some of his "poor performance", then you say he doesn't try? It's either one or the other. He was drafted on such characteristics as work ethic and character. BS that he doesn't want to try. That's a BS comment in my eyes.

SpezDispenser wrote:

Big Ev wrote:Heard the same thing last year and he played well enough to get 9 games. He'll be even better this year.

I'll guarantee he is in the NHL at least to start the season.

If Bingo is crap again, you don't want a guy like him playing there. He doesn't need AHL time IMO.

IMO, he needs to go to the AHL and play with Mark Stone and one of Petersson or Prince or Hoffman and start producing in NA, getting comfortable with his game, trying things, learning. MacLean wanted him to stay, I remember that, but he'll get him eventually and it will be for a long time. Again, why not build his confidence in the AHL before thrusting him right into the NHL?

Because high Swede picks don't play in the AHL unless they truly need after a poor showing in the NHL (a long period). Like a Paajarvi for example.

Big Ev wrote:
Because high Swede picks don't play in the AHL unless they truly need after a poor showing in the NHL (a long period). Like a Paajarvi for example.

That has to change. I hate using the Detroit model...because at some point they'll be in the same boat as everyone else, but you can't just walk up and take a job, you need to play in GR first, find your feet and most importantly learn the system before you come up. Take a guy like Nyqvist - he spent 60 games or so in the AHL, did really well and was rewarded by playing in the playoffs for the Wings. Next will be Jarncrok - who they'll make spend half a year minimum as well. Tatar as well, you need to learn the system, get confident, get prepared before you make the Wings, and I think we need to have the same philosophy.

He played 9 games last year, but he wasn't very impressive - and yes, I realize he was a 19 year old child, but still. The good news for your argument is that MacLean loved him and wanted him to stay - so he may choose him to start the year here, but the AHL isn't - nor should it be viewed as - a toxic environment for young players.

SpezDispenser wrote:

Big Ev wrote:
Because high Swede picks don't play in the AHL unless they truly need after a poor showing in the NHL (a long period). Like a Paajarvi for example.

That has to change. I hate using the Detroit model...because at some point they'll be in the same boat as everyone else, but you can't just walk up and take a job, you need to play in GR first, find your feet and most importantly learn the system before you come up. Take a guy like Nyqvist - he spent 60 games or so in the AHL, did really well and was rewarded by playing in the playoffs for the Wings. Next will be Jarncrok - who they'll make spend half a year minimum as well. Tatar as well, you need to learn the system, get confident, get prepared before you make the Wings, and I think we need to have the same philosophy.

He played 9 games last year, but he wasn't very impressive - and yes, I realize he was a 19 year old child, but still. The good news for your argument is that MacLean loved him and wanted him to stay - so he may choose him to start the year here, but the AHL isn't - nor should it be viewed as - a toxic environment for young players.

Nyqusit? A 4th rounder who played in the NCAA. Completely different.

Jarnkrok? A 2nd rounder who is very skinny, one-dimensional-ish and not close to being ready for the NHL.

Tatar? Another 2nd rounder, small player.

Those are not good examples. High pick Swedes are better off playing in the NHL as history shows.

The Detroit model doesn't apply here as Detroit never had high draft picks like a Zibanejad. They wouldn't take their time if they drafted a high-end prospect like a Yakupov for example.

Big Ev wrote:
Nyqusit? A 4th rounder who played in the NCAA. Completely different.

Jarnkrok? A 2nd rounder who is very skinny, one-dimensional-ish and not close to being ready for the NHL.

Tatar? Another 2nd rounder, small player.

Those are not good examples. High pick Swedes are better off playing in the NHL as history shows.

The Detroit model doesn't apply here as Detroit never had high draft picks like a Zibanejad. They wouldn't take their time if they drafted a high-end prospect like a Yakupov for example.

I think Jarnkrok is a good example personally. He's close to being as highly touted as Silfverberg, so if he comes over after next season and Detroit plunks him in the AHL, that'll be a kid who's just like Silfverberg that Detroit doesn't want to thrust into the NHL.

We'll see I guess, for all the hype Zibanejad has, I'm really not sure he's 'there' offensively yet for the NHL.

SpezDispenser wrote:

Big Ev wrote:
Nyqusit? A 4th rounder who played in the NCAA. Completely different.

Jarnkrok? A 2nd rounder who is very skinny, one-dimensional-ish and not close to being ready for the NHL.

Tatar? Another 2nd rounder, small player.

Those are not good examples. High pick Swedes are better off playing in the NHL as history shows.

The Detroit model doesn't apply here as Detroit never had high draft picks like a Zibanejad. They wouldn't take their time if they drafted a high-end prospect like a Yakupov for example.

I think Jarnkrok is a good example personally. He's close to being as highly touted as Silfverberg, so if he comes over after next season and Detroit plunks him in the AHL, that'll be a kid who's just like Silfverberg that Detroit doesn't want to thrust into the NHL.

We'll see I guess, for all the hype Zibanejad has, I'm really not sure he's 'there' offensively yet for the NHL.

I would include Silfverberg in the not highly touted category, as I am referring to players as 18-19 year olds for the most part. If Silfverberg came over to North America at 19, he'd be in the AHL because he wasn't highly regarded and wasn't a top pick (I'm referring to high first-rounders). Guys like Jarnkrok and Silfverberg don't apply here. I'm talking Backstrom, Zibanejad, Adam Larsson, OEL (played only 15 AHL games), Paajarvi (was sent to the AHL after a full season and a bit in the NHL), Sundin, the Sedins, etc.

Unless you're a terrible defensive player, you're not going to see much time in the AHL as a Swede in my opinion. They breed two-way players and that's why they can play in the NHL.

I will say that if Zibanekad does indeed play in the AHL next season, he will be there for 10-20 games max.

Zibanejad will most likely see time in the AHL this coming year, and will certainly see time in the NHL. How much time he spends where will be up to him.

I don't think we can raise questions about his work ethic yet. You don't get where he is by not working hard.

Big Ev wrote:
I would include Silfverberg in the not highly touted category, as I am referring to players as 18-19 year olds for the most part. If Silfverberg came over to North America at 19, he'd be in the AHL because he wasn't highly regarded and wasn't a top pick (I'm referring to high first-rounders). Guys like Jarnkrok and Silfverberg don't apply here. I'm talking Backstrom, Zibanejad, Adam Larsson, OEL (played only 15 AHL games), Paajarvi (was sent to the AHL after a full season and a bit in the NHL), Sundin, the Sedins, etc.

Unless you're a terrible defensive player, you're not going to see much time in the AHL as a Swede in my opinion. They breed two-way players and that's why they can play in the NHL.

I will say that if Zibanekad does indeed play in the AHL next season, he will be there for 10-20 games max.

Fair enough. It's hard to argue that at this point, if they feel they can teach Zibanejad what he needs to learn in the NHL, then I'm sure they will. It was more my own personal feeling that he could use a year there - being the first call up - to further develop his game.

IMO they will want a veteran over Zibanejad for the AHL. Let a vet lead the youngsters, and let your top prospect play in the NHL.

Also, Zibanejad will have a full summer of working out and getting ready for the NHL. Last year he had the draft and everything that goes along with it. He also didn't know where he was going to be playing - this year, he knows he will be in North America. Less pressure, can relax and just PLAY. A roller coaster season for him last year.

did you guys factor in Claesson comiing over from sweden? was reading on senschirp that's supposed to be playing Bingo next year.

Flo The Action wrote:did you guys factor in Claesson comiing over from sweden? was reading on senschirp that's supposed to be playing Bingo next year.

Yeah he was already considering coming over even if his team didn't get relegated. He has no contract for next season. He'll help their defence if he does.

Chirp has just become a puppet now for the sens org. He doesn't break any news anymore, and is more interested in hyping up the sens brass so ppl can buy tickets.

Michallica wrote:Chirp has just become a puppet now for the sens org. He doesn't break any news anymore, and is more interested in hyping up the sens brass so ppl can buy tickets.

Agreed, that guy is a joke. Seems like he works for the team. Keeps telling people about some Sens sales employee, too.

Michallica wrote:Chirp has just become a puppet now for the sens org. He doesn't break any news anymore, and is more interested in hyping up the sens brass so ppl can buy tickets.

that's fine if he is. at least it's one site to check for up to date info as opposed to having to go to many different ones.

alsohe states that the sens might bring back Andre Benoit stating an article in lapresse. I took a look at the article and it's realy accurate.
it states that Tim Murray has said he'd like to bring in a number 1 D man to bingo then goes on to quote Andre Benoit/s desire to come back and play NA. there's nothing in there to say there's been talks between both parties. pure speculations.

Big Ev wrote:

Michallica wrote:Chirp has just become a puppet now for the sens org. He doesn't break any news anymore, and is more interested in hyping up the sens brass so ppl can buy tickets.

Agreed, that guy is a joke. Seems like he works for the team. Keeps telling people about some Sens sales employee, too.

haha I know. Funny thing is the salesperson he talks about is my account manager for my season seats....and let me tell you, he has been awful. Just terrible. Continually screws up my seat selections, I get extra charges on my credit card, etc. etc. I almost didn't renew because of him.

Flo The Action wrote:

Michallica wrote:Chirp has just become a puppet now for the sens org. He doesn't break any news anymore, and is more interested in hyping up the sens brass so ppl can buy tickets.

that's fine if he is. at least it's one site to check for up to date info as opposed to having to go to many different ones.

alsohe states that the sens might bring back Andre Benoit stating an article in lapresse. I took a look at the article and it's realy accurate.
it states that Tim Murray has said he'd like to bring in a number 1 D man to bingo then goes on to quote Andre Benoit/s desire to come back and play NA. there's nothing in there to say there's been talks between both parties. pure speculations.

Fair point, its good for news but I find alot of times he just doesn't update because he's 'out of town' or some stuff like that. If that's the case, I'll just get my news from other sources, but whatever I guess. He does have enough vistors to his site and got the sens org's attention too so he must be doing something right