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The Heatley Saga: What's in store in the next 30 days?

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Sens19 wrote:I see most of you here have given up on the idea of Heater getting traded this summer eh

I think it would be best to prepare for life with Heatley. And as some of the lineups attest to - it could be worse. Ahhhhh!

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SpezDispenser wrote:
Sens19 wrote:I see most of you here have given up on the idea of Heater getting traded this summer eh

I think it would be best to prepare for life with Heatley. And as some of the lineups attest to - it could be worse. Ahhhhh!

Oh well, I guess it's better to be surprised than disappointed. But after all this whirlwind if an offseason it's hard to think it'll end this way

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Meh, it seems like any deal now would be rushed. I'm almost inclined to want to wait until the deadline now. The talks will hit a fever pitch then when his salary for the remainder of the year is a fraction of what it is now. Teams will line up, and someone will meet Murray's price, which may have increased depending on Heatley's success this season.

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SpezDispenser wrote:Although I agree with the FFS line staying intact, I just don't see how we can manage with Kelly there. He was good for that brief stretch when everyone was hurt, but full time? Nervous. I want Regin to get a shot, but to put him as a line 2 center could be a mistake.

How much chemistry did Regin and Shannon have in Bingo? The same way you want the FFS line together, I want to see Fisher with Heatley and Kovalev. Big body, creating space, Kovalev can pass, so can Heatley - Fisher would be the guy who retrieves.

Put Foligno on Spezza's LW and keep Alfie with Spezza as they've had the 3rd best production of any NHL duo since the lockout. Regin centering Kelly and Shannon. Winchester centering Neil and Ruutu. Not sure what to do with Donovan or Schubert.

Foligno - Spezza - Alfredsson
Heatley - Fisher - Kovalev
Kelly - Regin - Shannon
Ruutu - Winchester - Neil

The natural talents of Spezza and Alfredsson, combined with the grit and net drive of Foligno would be fun to watch. Heatley with Kovalev centered by Fisher? Sounds fun. Line 3 should be fast and defensively responsible. Line 4 is crazy.

Shrug But, I trust Clouston to do what he feels is right of course.

Having Heatley on line two will do nothing to improve his perception that he's being slighted by Clouston. Imo, that's a recipe for disaster. As much as I don't want to, if he's back he's got to play a first line role, because we desperately need him to produce to not only help us, but his own trade value. A spot on the 2nd line means an indifferent effort most of the time imo.

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Flo The Action wrote:an honestly? i can't ait to see kovy, spezza and heatley play on a line together. it's gonna be nuts!
i'm pissed at heatley but i also hope the boo birds don't start when he scores. i'm sure he knows how the fans feel, no use making him feel like it doesn't matter wether he contributes or not.

:___:

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hemlock wrote:Having Heatley on line two will do nothing to improve his perception that he's being slighted by Clouston. Imo, that's a recipe for disaster. As much as I don't want to, if he's back he's got to play a first line role, because we desperately need him to produce to not only help us, but his own trade value. A spot on the 2nd line means an indifferent effort most of the time imo.
Well, I think if Heatley does come back, he'll play where Clouston puts him... he needs to earn his spot and work for it. There should be no difference to the way it was at the end of last season. If he starts on the 2nd line... so be it. I don't see Clouston putting him on the first line if he doesn't deserve it.

IMO.

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True,

There are arguements on both side. Putting him on line one reinforces the perception that his value to the team (any team for that matter) is a 1st line player and him scoring makes his value go up.

On the other side, if he is put on the 2nd line and he plays well without Wing Dang Doodle and complaining it can increase his value, because, teams will see him playing what might be a reduced role for a coach everyone knows there are issues with. If he does it without Wing Dang Doodle it will dispell a lot of the prima donna rumors out there and in turn increase his trade value. Teams don't want to give up lots now because A) they thing Ottawa has to trade him and B) the perception that he's a problem.

Simply put, if/when Heatley returns to Ottawa, the only person who can control if he gets trade in a way is himself, by playing at his best no matter what the role is.

Sucks to be him, but now he has to return and just shut his mouth and play. In a way it makes me happy to think that he has to swallow all those things he wants to say and also perform well for a team and coach he doesn't want to be a part of anymore just to get out.

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hemlock wrote:Meh, it seems like any deal now would be rushed. I'm almost inclined to want to wait until the deadline now. The talks will hit a fever pitch then when his salary for the remainder of the year is a fraction of what it is now. Teams will line up, and someone will meet Murray's price, which may have increased depending on Heatley's success this season.

True as that may be, trading him at the deadline off a competitive team is the worst idea I can fathom in this scenario. Even if we get a nice return (i.e. Kessel + Bitz) if Heatley goes on to win a Stanley Cup with his new team, we're dead in the water, as a franchise.

Its all about how well he's playing: if he's playing well enough to merit the return we want, he's playing too well to be traded. We have to look after our own players first and if they've gone as far as accepting him back and experiencing some success, then Heatley should under no circumstances be traded mid-season.

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Also, when was the last time a player who makes 7.5 mil a year with over 4 yearss left on his contract got dealt at the deadline? It doesnt happen. The biggest trade at the deadline last year was a 3rd line center for a backup goaltender, Leclaire for Vermette.

Again, like Cas is saying, the last possible time Heatley should be dealt is at the deadline. No team that is in the playoff hunt is going to give Murray what he wants and no team that's out of the hunt will be dealing picks/prospects/core players.

Murray will not let Murray screw up his season by A. Trading him if things are going well for The Sens with him in the lineup, B.by not trading him and allowing the season to go down into the drain for 5, 6 months.

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The best possible thing for The Sens and Heatley is, if he comes back, for him to tear it up, The Sens have a great season so on, and trade him when his value is a lot higher then it currently is.

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hemlock wrote:Having Heatley on line two will do nothing to improve his perception that he's being slighted by Clouston. Imo, that's a recipe for disaster. As much as I don't want to, if he's back he's got to play a first line role, because we desperately need him to produce to not only help us, but his own trade value. A spot on the 2nd line means an indifferent effort most of the time imo.

Holy Lord, this guy is such a pain. :^^^^: Yeah, that's possible. I prefer having the two guns on one line without wasting Spezza on them, but I suppose you could change for his majesty.

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Neely4Life wrote:Also, when was the last time a player who makes 7.5 mil a year with over 4 yearss left on his contract got dealt at the deadline? It doesnt happen. The biggest trade at the deadline last year was a 3rd line center for a backup goaltender, Leclaire for Vermette.

Again, like Cas is saying, the last possible time Heatley should be dealt is at the deadline. No team that is in the playoff hunt is going to give Murray what he wants and no team that's out of the hunt will be dealing picks/prospects/core players.

Murray will not let Murray screw up his season by A. Trading him if things are going well for The Sens with him in the lineup, B.by not trading him and allowing the season to go down into the drain for 5, 6 months.

Brad Richards?

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SpezDispenser wrote:
Neely4Life wrote:Also, when was the last time a player who makes 7.5 mil a year with over 4 yearss left on his contract got dealt at the deadline? It doesnt happen. The biggest trade at the deadline last year was a 3rd line center for a backup goaltender, Leclaire for Vermette.

Again, like Cas is saying, the last possible time Heatley should be dealt is at the deadline. No team that is in the playoff hunt is going to give Murray what he wants and no team that's out of the hunt will be dealing picks/prospects/core players.

Murray will not let Murray screw up his season by A. Trading him if things are going well for The Sens with him in the lineup, B.by not trading him and allowing the season to go down into the drain for 5, 6 months.

Brad Richards?

Yeah, he was a deadline deal for sure with a similar contract. Big difference between Tampa and Richards situation then Ottawa's and Heatley's. I forgot about Richards though, but again, last year showed that no one was giving up anything of any signifigance at the deadline.

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SpezDispenser wrote:
hemlock wrote:Having Heatley on line two will do nothing to improve his perception that he's being slighted by Clouston. Imo, that's a recipe for disaster. As much as I don't want to, if he's back he's got to play a first line role, because we desperately need him to produce to not only help us, but his own trade value. A spot on the 2nd line means an indifferent effort most of the time imo.

Holy Lord, this guy is such a pain. :^^^^: Yeah, that's possible. I prefer having the two guns on one line without wasting Spezza on them, but I suppose you could change for his majesty.

Laughing3

His highness will like that.

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Neely4Life wrote:
Murray will not let Murray screw up his season
I sure hope not Sarcasm

Neely4Life wrote:Also, when was the last time a player who makes 7.5 mil a year with over 4 yearss left on his contract got dealt at the deadline? It doesnt happen. The biggest trade at the deadline last year was a 3rd line center for a backup goaltender, Leclaire for Vermette.

Again, like Cas is saying, the last possible time Heatley should be dealt is at the deadline. No team that is in the playoff hunt is going to give Murray what he wants and no team that's out of the hunt will be dealing picks/prospects/core players.

Murray will not let Murray screw up his season by A. Trading him if things are going well for The Sens with him in the lineup, B.by not trading him and allowing the season to go down into the drain for 5, 6 months.

Thats pretty much as simple as you can make an argument that Heatley will not get traded at the deadline. It just goes against all reason to expect something like that because once the season gets started, its about MUCH more than the return we get for Heatley - which is all people seem to be focusing on now Shrug

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Yup, people seem to forget there are about 20 other players on The Sens at this point.

One thing I do think should happen though is Murray needs to tell the fans what is happening with Heatley. I'm all for keeping things on the DL, but it's about time a decision was made for everyone sake.

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Neely4Life wrote:Yup, people seem to forget there are about 20 other players on The Sens at this point.

One thing I do think should happen though is Murray needs to tell the fans what is happening with Heatley. I'm all for keeping things on the DL, but it's about time a decision was made for everyone sake.

Nah...Diddle that. He made it quite clear on July 2nd that the likeliest possibility was that Heatley would be a member of the Ottawa Senators in October. Imo Murray doesn't need to say a damn thing until prep for the season begins and its all but official that Heatley will be in our roster on opening night. Until then, any attempt at clearing this up will only leave him with less wiggle room in the public image.

Making a declaration can be powerful for a persons image, but when that declaration is later proven false, they lose that power plus more. The safest and smartest thing Murray (a GM who already has PLENTY of critics) can do is sit tight and stay quiet.

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I agree, but the season is literally a month away from starting (camp). I guess until then Murray might be able to keep his cards close to his chest, but if a deal has to be made it literally has to happen within the next 3 weeks.

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