Summer Dany Heatley hits

shabbs wrote:

M_Christopher wrote:The Elliott signing is apparently waiting on Ottawa to clear some cap. :KKK:

That's odd... they can still sign him and be over the cap now and fix it later... why wait?

They qualified him, there's no rush. I'm sure they've spoken and Elliott knows exactly where he stands. A brand-new, shiny contract is waiting for him when he comes to Ottawa in September. No need to break-up his summer vacation just to go and get something signed.

wprager wrote:

shabbs wrote:

M_Christopher wrote:The Elliott signing is apparently waiting on Ottawa to clear some cap. :KKK:

That's odd... they can still sign him and be over the cap now and fix it later... why wait?

They qualified him, there's no rush. I'm sure they've spoken and Elliott knows exactly where he stands. A brand-new, shiny contract is waiting for him when he comes to Ottawa in September. No need to break-up his summer vacation just to go and get something signed.

I guess. Hopefully that's what they've told Elliott and assured him.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

shabbs wrote:

M_Christopher wrote:The Elliott signing is apparently waiting on Ottawa to clear some cap. :KKK:

That's odd... they can still sign him and be over the cap now and fix it later... why wait?

Exactly what I was wondering too. There is a limit to how far over the Cap you can be so maybe that's the problem?

Yeah, from July 1st to the end of training camp, a team is allowed to exceed the cap by no more then 10%. I can't see Elliott's contract taking us over the 10% allowance, so perhaps Murray is just being cautious.

Most of you have probably heard on the Team 1200 that San Jose is interested in Heatley.

Maybe Nabokov is indeed out and Halak in? I think the speculation on that is due to the Sanford signing. Hopefully Montreal is stupid enough to take Choochoo and we can land Marleau somehow.

Okay, I wasn't sure if that was true or not, someone told me that this morning.

The rumblings are Marleau for Heatley straight up.

Fair?

I don't feel it is to be honest, throw in a prospect or pick, this is ridiculous. The guy has been on a steady decline for a while, while some might argue that Heatley is too, he's still a 50 goal man where Marleau is not.

I can't see that deal being straight up but I also didn't think the Edmonton deal was fair either so it wouldn't surprise me. On the bright side we would get a massive second line Center who can put up close to a point a game and save some cap space.

I still think that It's probably being referred to as a Heatley for Marleau deal because those are the main pieces but there's probably more from both sides.

And as Rooney has pointed out before, this likely won't happen unless SJ clears some space in other ways first. A direct deal between the two teams as is makes little sense and won't help either teams cap situation.

shabbs wrote:

Yeah, from July 1st to the end of training camp, a team is allowed to exceed the cap by no more then 10%. I can't see Elliott's contract taking us over the 10% allowance, so perhaps Murray is just being cautious.

Nope, we're nowhere near 10% ($5.8 mil) over the cap. In fact, if you stick primarily to the 1-way deals we have on file now and go with a roster of...

Heatley - Spez - Alfie
Foligno - Fisher - Kovalev
Kelly - Shannon - Neil
Ruutu - Winchester - Donovan

Phillips - Volchie
Kuba - Campoli
Smith - Picard

Spare F/D: Schubert

Leclaire

... then the Sens are actually currently UNDER the cap by $894,167 (according to CapGeek). Of course, tho', that figure leaves Lee (and Regin) in the minors, and leaves us with no backup.

So whatever is holding up the Elliott signing has nothing to do with any concerns about exceeding the off-season cap cushion.

Wow, now that I'm looking this over, our cap situation is not at all as bad as most people are making it out to be. I can't remember the last time we went with a 23-man roster all year long, and I don't see why we'd start now. Once Elliott is signed, all we need to do is clear about $2 mil to create breathing room for injuries, call ups, and trade deadline acquisitions. I have to think J. Smith is the guy who's going to give us that breathing room, one way or the other.

Very, very bad deal. First, the two are not equivalent value, so we lose. Second, we have a 1st and 2nd line center. Third, we get very little cap relief -- not even enough to take us under the cap, actually.

SensGirl11 wrote:Okay, I wasn't sure if that was true or not, someone told me that this morning.

The rumblings are Marleau for Heatley straight up.

Fair?

I don't feel it is to be honest, throw in a prospect or pick, this is ridiculous. The guy has been on a steady decline for a while, while some might argue that Heatley is too, he's still a 50 goal man where Marleau is not.

Heatley is worth more than Marleau for sure, so a pick would be fair. Don't sell Marleau short, though. He's had one bad year since 2005 and managed to bounce back with 38 goals and 71 points on the LW this year.

Marleau - Spezza - Kovalev.... Dig it!

rooneypoo wrote:So whatever is holding up the Elliott signing has nothing to do with any concerns about exceeding the off-season cap cushion.

Strange... and even if we run the scenario with the Edmonton trade, we're even better off cap-wise.

Strange indeed.

Murray's gotta have something in the hopper...

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:Okay, I wasn't sure if that was true or not, someone told me that this morning.

The rumblings are Marleau for Heatley straight up.

Fair?

I don't feel it is to be honest, throw in a prospect or pick, this is ridiculous. The guy has been on a steady decline for a while, while some might argue that Heatley is too, he's still a 50 goal man where Marleau is not.

Heatley is worth more than Marleau for sure, so a pick would be fair. Don't sell Marleau short, though. He's had one bad year since 2005 and managed to bounce back with 38 goals and 71 points on the LW this year.

Marleau - Spezza - Kovalev.... Dig it!

That's not too shabby at all. Maybe I should look into these things before I comment. I thought he was still on a decline in SJ. Probably because they fail at everything they do and he's their captain and things just never seem to get better there.

I'm not saying by any means that I don't want him, bring it on!! I just don't think it would be a fair trade if it was straight up. A pick or a prospect in there and I would do the deal. We need to get Diddle out of here and quickly. I think we're all beyond sick of hearing about him, and have to come to the realization that, as much as we might want him to stay (we'd be ridiculously awesome) he will not be playing in a Sens uniform again. No matter what Murray and Melnyk say about it, it ain't happening.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:Okay, I wasn't sure if that was true or not, someone told me that this morning.

The rumblings are Marleau for Heatley straight up.

Fair?

I don't feel it is to be honest, throw in a prospect or pick, this is ridiculous. The guy has been on a steady decline for a while, while some might argue that Heatley is too, he's still a 50 goal man where Marleau is not.

Heatley is worth more than Marleau for sure, so a pick would be fair. Don't sell Marleau short, though. He's had one bad year since 2005 and managed to bounce back with 38 goals and 71 points on the LW this year.

Marleau - Spezza - Kovalev.... Dig it!

How about Heatley for Boyle and a pick? Seems less desperate than Heatley for Marleau(or Marleau and Cheechoo). Cap hit is similar. Would likely need approval of each player. Is Boyle a #1 D?

SensGirl11 wrote:Okay, I wasn't sure if that was true or not, someone told me that this morning.

The rumblings are Marleau for Heatley straight up.

Fair?

I don't feel it is to be honest, throw in a prospect or pick, this is ridiculous. The guy has been on a steady decline for a while, while some might argue that Heatley is too, he's still a 50 goal man where Marleau is not.

No, definitely not a fair deal.

Heatley is a 50 goal scorer under contract for the next 5 years; Marleau is a somewhat inconsistent PPG in the last year of his deal. The wide discrepancy in contracts, for one, makes this a lopsided deal.

No youth, no long-term assets coming back there. BM's deal with EDM already tells us that he's looking for both, even if he has to eat a biggish contract to get those things.

SJ would definitely have to balance these deal out by offering more in terms of a significant upgrade at another position -- say, Ernhoff / Vlasic for J. Smith -- or by filling up our prospect cupboard even more -- say, 1st + Couture / McGinn.

jawal wrote:

How about Heatley for Boyle and a pick? Seems less desperate than Heatley for Marleau(or Marleau and Cheechoo). Cap hit is similar. Would likely need approval of each player. Is Boyle a #1 D?

I've said this a few times now, but absolutely forget about SJ trading Boyle under any circumstances. The organization spend the better part of 4 years looking for a right-handed #1 D to run their PP, and they're not about to give him up after having just acquired him.

Plus, Wilson has said that only Boyle and Thornton are untouchable.

jawal wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:Okay, I wasn't sure if that was true or not, someone told me that this morning.

The rumblings are Marleau for Heatley straight up.

Fair?

I don't feel it is to be honest, throw in a prospect or pick, this is ridiculous. The guy has been on a steady decline for a while, while some might argue that Heatley is too, he's still a 50 goal man where Marleau is not.

Heatley is worth more than Marleau for sure, so a pick would be fair. Don't sell Marleau short, though. He's had one bad year since 2005 and managed to bounce back with 38 goals and 71 points on the LW this year.

Marleau - Spezza - Kovalev.... Dig it!

How about Heatley for Boyle and a pick? Seems less desperate than Heatley for Marleau(or Marleau and Cheechoo). Cap hit is similar. Would likely need approval of each player. Is Boyle a #1 D?

I would absolutely do that. The only problem is the cap hit. I'm not sure if we could fit it in with the signing of Kovalev. I'm not sure how it would work out. Boyle is absolutely a #1 D, one of the best in the league and he's in his prime. He was a monster last year, it was good to see him get back to form after his freak accident the previous year. It almost seemed like it made him even better. He wants to be a Sen very badly too, he would be an amazing addition here. There is a reason Murray didn't sign him last year though. It's unfortunate.

SensGirl11 wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SensGirl11 wrote:Okay, I wasn't sure if that was true or not, someone told me that this morning.

The rumblings are Marleau for Heatley straight up.

Fair?

I don't feel it is to be honest, throw in a prospect or pick, this is ridiculous. The guy has been on a steady decline for a while, while some might argue that Heatley is too, he's still a 50 goal man where Marleau is not.

Heatley is worth more than Marleau for sure, so a pick would be fair. Don't sell Marleau short, though. He's had one bad year since 2005 and managed to bounce back with 38 goals and 71 points on the LW this year.

Marleau - Spezza - Kovalev.... Dig it!

That's not too shabby at all. Maybe I should look into these things before I comment. I thought he was still on a decline in SJ. Probably because they fail at everything they do and he's their captain and things just never seem to get better there.

I'm not saying by any means that I don't want him, bring it on!! I just don't think it would be a fair trade if it was straight up. A pick or a prospect in there and I would do the deal. We need to get Diddle out of here and quickly. I think we're all beyond sick of hearing about him, and have to come to the realization that, as much as we might want him to stay (we'd be ridiculously awesome) he will not be playing in a Sens uniform again. No matter what Murray and Melnyk say about it, it ain't happening.

No you shouldn't, you're a fan with opinions. Fire away!

Besides, your point was valid. Heatley for Marleau straight up isn't fair. Could be an interesting deal depending upon how much space San Jose makes.

More fuel for a possible SJ / OTT trade:

http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/Sharks+still+circling+Dany+Heatley/1810031/story.html

Doug Wilson is, unsurprisingly, holding his cards very close to his chest indeed.

rooneypoo wrote:More fuel for a possible SJ / OTT trade:

http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/Sharks+still+circling+Dany+Heatley/1810031/story.html

Doug Wilson is, unsurprisingly, holding his cards very close to his chest indeed.

After reading that article it seems as though Wilson is fully prepared to wait as long as next summer to get a bargain. Perhaps it's just a bit of expectation setting for the fans. I promised a shake up but don't be surprised if it doesn't happen until the trade deadline or even next summer?