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136Dany Heatley quick hits - Page 10 Empty Re: Dany Heatley quick hits Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:12 am

davetherave


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Rooney> wonder if BM is talking to Medvedev about 'loaning' Dany for a year to the KHL...

137Dany Heatley quick hits - Page 10 Empty Re: Dany Heatley quick hits Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:16 am

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davetherave wrote:Rooney> wonder if BM is talking to Medvedev about 'loaning' Dany for a year to the KHL...

Can't imagine. Might make for a useful bluff... but I can't see Heatley agreeing to that.

138Dany Heatley quick hits - Page 10 Empty Re: Dany Heatley quick hits Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:18 am

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I'll be so disappointed if we don't manage to move Heatley by July 1st... but, it's gotta be a good deal.

139Dany Heatley quick hits - Page 10 Empty Re: Dany Heatley quick hits Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:19 am

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rooneypoo wrote:
davetherave wrote:Rooney> wonder if BM is talking to Medvedev about 'loaning' Dany for a year to the KHL...

Can't imagine. Might make for a useful bluff... but I can't see Heatley agreeing to that.

You'll remember that Tallon tried to set up a deal last year with the KHL to take Khabibulin...so there is a precedent.

Who knows, Medvedev might sweeten the pot for Dany. Wealthy sports stars live rather well in Russia...there could be many incentives, and Heatley did play for Ak Bars Kazan during the lockout.

140Dany Heatley quick hits - Page 10 Empty Re: Dany Heatley quick hits Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:22 am

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SeawaySensFan wrote:
SensFan71 wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:
SensFan71 wrote:ugh more looking like Heatley may be staying here afterall, all our optimism is being choked out right now Facepalm

I'd be disappointed if he did, but I'd be angry if Murray dealt him for scraps. Real angry.

Better to stay the course. If people expect to acquire Dany Heatley and pay him 4 million in salary AND give up nothing they can just Diddle off. Simple as that.

I am just wondering where all these good deals from the media went, maybe they were all just creations of the media, oh so frustrating, we went from being potentially set for years to come to being stuck with a sulky cry baby.

He'll realize nobody wants him and he better pull up his socks and play his best hockey for the Ottawa Senators if he really wants to move.

Better to be "stuck" with Heatley than get nickel-and-dimed by other teams.

then we shall move him trade deadline day for a better return that Hossa garnered from Pittsburgh 2 years ago.

141Dany Heatley quick hits - Page 10 Empty Re: Dany Heatley quick hits Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:24 am

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SensFan71 wrote:then we shall move him trade deadline day for a better return that Hossa garnered from Pittsburgh 2 years ago.

By then his remaining salary (yes I know ALL that matters is the cap hit) will be around 2 million bucks too. You gots to pay for that kind of discount.

142Dany Heatley quick hits - Page 10 Empty Re: Dany Heatley quick hits Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:31 am

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davetherave wrote:Paul Kukla adds his news from two more media sources...

Sens May Just Keep Heatley



by Paul on 06/26/09 at 07:30 AM ET www.kuklaskorner.com

from Kevin Allen’s Twitter this morning,


Heard this morning that unless offers significanly improve the Senators may keep Dany Heatley. His $7.5 million cap too much for most teams.

Then "most teams" should put down the crack pipe and pick up the calculator.

Heatley is currently seventh in cap hit in the NHL he will likely sink like a stone in that ranking by the time successive UFA contracts are handed out until his contract expires in 13/14.

Here's a sample of committed salaries in millions from now until 13/14.

35 - Heatley
50 - Lecavalier
39 - Eric Staal
33.5 - Scott Gomez
35.7 - Soupy
33.5 - Datsuyk
32 - Briere
30 - Horcoff

For the most part, the salary cap variance is negligeable (a million give or take) and many of these contracts go beyond 13/14.

143Dany Heatley quick hits - Page 10 Empty Re: Dany Heatley quick hits Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:42 am

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I think there is a lot bantering going about this whole situation. The deals might not be as good as some were reporting yesterday, but equally, I doubt it is all doom and gloom as is being reported this morning.

144Dany Heatley quick hits - Page 10 Empty Re: Dany Heatley quick hits Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:44 am

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SeawaySensFan wrote: Then "most teams" should put down the crack pipe and pick up the calculator.

Heatley is currently seventh in cap hit in the NHL he will likely sink like a stone in that ranking by the time successive UFA contracts are handed out until his contract expires in 13/14.

Here's a sample of committed salaries in millions from now until 13/14.

35 - Heatley
50 - Lecavalier
39 - Eric Staal
33.5 - Scott Gomez
35.7 - Soupy
33.5 - Datsuyk
32 - Briere
30 - Horcoff

For the most part, the salary cap variance is negligeable (a million give or take) and many of these contracts go beyond 13/14.

You've just reiterated why these contracts are so difficult to trade.



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145Dany Heatley quick hits - Page 10 Empty Re: Dany Heatley quick hits Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:44 am

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Mojo wrote:I think there is a lot bantering going about this whole situation. The deals might not be as good as some were reporting yesterday, but equally, I doubt it is all doom and gloom as is being reported this morning.

Yeah, well the Ottawa Dung reports that there is "Not one Heatley offer yet"

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/sports/hockey/ottawa-senators/Heatley+offer/1734978/story.html

146Dany Heatley quick hits - Page 10 Empty Re: Dany Heatley quick hits Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:46 am

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SeawaySensFan wrote:
Mojo wrote:I think there is a lot bantering going about this whole situation. The deals might not be as good as some were reporting yesterday, but equally, I doubt it is all doom and gloom as is being reported this morning.

Yeah, well the Ottawa Dung reports that there is "Not one Heatley offer yet"

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/sports/hockey/ottawa-senators/Heatley+offer/1734978/story.html

This could all just be a matter of the choice of words. It is probably that there are many ideas for potential deals on the table without anything official delivered to Murray. I wouldn't expect an official offer until the rival GMs know Murray will take it.

147Dany Heatley quick hits - Page 10 Empty Re: Dany Heatley quick hits Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:47 am

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Guys,

When things go dark with Murray, the deal is more likely to get done.

148Dany Heatley quick hits - Page 10 Empty Re: Dany Heatley quick hits Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:48 am

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davetherave wrote:Well, you've just reiterated why these large contracts are so difficult to trade.

Or I demonstrated that Heatley's talent to cap/salary ratio is good value. Whichever you choose.

149Dany Heatley quick hits - Page 10 Empty Re: Dany Heatley quick hits Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:52 am

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the take from the NY Daily News, if they think they will get Dany Heatley cheap, then they are dumber than I thought.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/2009/06/25/2009-06-25_rangers_eye_trades_at_nhl_draft_heatley_deal.html

While it's the Islanders under the spotlight tonight making the long-anticipated top pick in the NHL draft, the Rangers still have the chance to swoop in and make a sizable splash of their own.
Holding pick No. 19 - just outside the realm of what they consider the premium players of tonight's draft - the Rangers are setting their sights on a possible move up the draft board should a surprise or two crop up among the top half of Round 1. And then, in the category of major splashes, the Rangers remain in the mix to grab disgruntled sniper Dany Heatley, who is demanding out of Ottawa and has an outside chance of landing on Broadway.
While a Sens executive said Thursday that there has yet to be "a serious offer" for Heatley and that the team won't be rushed into trading him, it would seem that the more time passes, the better the Blueshirts' chances become to swoop in. The two-time 50-goal scorer is owed a $4 million payment on Wednesday, something the Senators would cringe to pay.
"I think there is a lot of tire-kicking going on," Sens assistant GM Tim Murray told NHL.com Thursday. "It doesn't sound serious and then a team calls and makes a serious offer, which could happen at any time. ...We're certainly not going to make a deal just because the draft is approaching or July 1 is approaching."
If a package including picks doesn't sway the Senators tonight, the Rangers still aren't inclined just to sit tight. Likening tonight's Round 1 to the 2005 draft, in which the Blueshirts jumped from 16 to 12 to grab Marc Staal, Rangers director of player personnel Gordie Clark sees a considerable possibility of a top-flight, NHL-ready player sinking down to where the Rangers could move up to land him. "When that kind of guy that you've identified as a top-five player is slipping down toward out of the top 10, you have to say to yourself, 'Hey, wait a minute here,'" Clark said Thursday after the Rangers conducted a final round of interviews with prospects. "This is a draft where you can go crazy....Everybody might have their top 15 the same, but 15 could go five, and four could go eight."
As for the Isles - who are expected to choose Canadian junior star John Tavares, but would surprise no one if they picked 6-7 Swedish defenseman Victor Hedman or Canadian center Matt Duchene - Garth Snow has shown no inclination to make his own move down, although Toronto GM Brian Burke will be gunning for him, and for Lightning GM Brian Lawton at No. 2. So far, no takers.
"I have no luck so far, but I've done it twice and both times it happened on the floor," said Burke, who moved up to draft Chris Pronger for the Whalers in 1993 and the Sedin twins for Vancouver in '99. "Time is not short by any stretch."



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/2009/06/25/2009-06-25_rangers_eye_trades_at_nhl_draft_heatley_deal.html#ixzz0JXnDkwSh&C

150Dany Heatley quick hits - Page 10 Empty Re: Dany Heatley quick hits Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:53 am

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SeawaySensFan wrote:
davetherave wrote:Well, you've just reiterated why these large contracts are so difficult to trade.

Or I demonstrated that Heatley's talent to cap/salary ratio is good value. Whichever you choose.

Well, it's not my choice... Wink

You or I, as fans, can make arguments for or against the value of a player's contract...but it is only the opinons of the GMs Bryan Murray is dealing with, that matter in this particular case.

151Dany Heatley quick hits - Page 10 Empty Re: Dany Heatley quick hits Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:06 am

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davetherave wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:
davetherave wrote:Well, you've just reiterated why these large contracts are so difficult to trade.

Or I demonstrated that Heatley's talent to cap/salary ratio is good value. Whichever you choose.

Well, it's not my choice... Wink

You or I, as fans, can make arguments for or against the value of a player's contract...but it is only the opinons of the GMs Bryan Murray is dealing with, that matter in this particular case.

I think as fans we can look at Heatley's peer group in terms of salary versus performance and make some pretty informed and astute observations. Including whether or not the GMs Bryan Murray is dealing with are on crack for expecting something for nothing and bargain-basement salaries for 50-goal scorers.

152Dany Heatley quick hits - Page 10 Empty Re: Dany Heatley quick hits Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:08 am

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I was reading somewhere that Murray is asking for Dustin Brown + the 5th overall pick from LA for Heatley.

HOLY Dung!

153Dany Heatley quick hits - Page 10 Empty Re: Dany Heatley quick hits Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:11 am

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PKC wrote:I was reading somewhere that Murray is asking for Dustin Brown + the 5th overall pick from LA for Heatley.

HOLY Dung!

would love for him to get that, I know it won't happen, but it would be nice, he's better to back it down to Frolov, Teubert/Hickey and the 5th. Brown will never be traded unless LA was really desperate.

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