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Bryan Murray Vs Dany Heatley: Who Blinks First?

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davetherave wrote:Hemlock> I am not jesting. And I am not suggesting that Heatley will go to the KHL.

Read my post--as well as my earlier one on the subject--again.

I am saying that, given the enormous amount of money Melnyk paid out and is obliged to pay under the terms of the contract, a 'deal' with the KHL could serve to alleviate his financial burden.

It would not be the first time an NHL team has attempted to 'loan' a player to the KHL.

Ask yourself this:

If Murray can't trade Heatley for whatever reason, is it better to have an eight million dollar player sulking or sitting on the bench, or to receive millions of dollars in return for having him play in Russia in the meantime?

Again, these are merely hypotheticals, for purposes of our discussion.

I did ask myself and the only reasonable answer is that he Wing Dang Doodle and whines, while playing in Ottawa with 2 premier forwards until we can acquiesce to his majesty's request.

Melynk is a billionaire, and more importantly, a passionate hockey fan. Unless a KHL team made a ridiculous Ronaldo-style offer for him, I can't see him wanting to leave the Sens with a gaping hole in their offence. Particularly when we aren't exactly flush with secondary scoring. I don't think he's takes the money and ships Heatley to Siberia. It would send the wrong message to the fans imo. That's not even counting my earlier point about the league probably not wanting to set this precident.

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hemlock wrote:This doesn't even consider the fact that Bettman might be very against an NHL franchise negotiating a loan with a KHL team. If you ask me, it could set off a bad trend where crappier teams basically rent their assets off to the highest bidder. Much like European football.

Hemlock>Bettman does not impede NHL teams from negotiating player 'loans' with the KHL.

Unless you have evidence otherwise.

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hemlock wrote:[I did ask myself and the only reasonable answer is that he Wing Dang Doodle and whines, while playing in Ottawa with 2 premier forwards until we can acquiesce to his majesty's request.

Melynk is a billionaire, and more importantly, a passionate hockey fan. Unless a KHL team made a ridiculous Ronaldo-style offer for him, I can't see him wanting to leave the Sens with a gaping hole in their offence. Particularly when we aren't exactly flush with secondary scoring. I don't think he's takes the money and ships Heatley to Siberia. It would send the wrong message to the fans imo. That's not even counting my earlier point about the league probably not wanting to set this precident.

Hemlock> do you think Ottawa fans would object if Eugene 'exiled' Dany to Siberia? Wink

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Does Siberia have a top 5 pick ?

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davetherave wrote:
hemlock wrote:[I did ask myself and the only reasonable answer is that he Wing Dang Doodle and whines, while playing in Ottawa with 2 premier forwards until we can acquiesce to his majesty's request.

Melynk is a billionaire, and more importantly, a passionate hockey fan. Unless a KHL team made a ridiculous Ronaldo-style offer for him, I can't see him wanting to leave the Sens with a gaping hole in their offence. Particularly when we aren't exactly flush with secondary scoring. I don't think he's takes the money and ships Heatley to Siberia. It would send the wrong message to the fans imo. That's not even counting my earlier point about the league probably not wanting to set this precident.

Hemlock> do you think Ottawa fans would object if Eugene 'exiled' Dany to Siberia? Wink

Well, I'll speak for myself and say, without bringing in talent to replace his offence. Yes. Absolutely.

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marakh wrote:Does Siberia have a top 5 pick ?

12th. Pffft. Probably not high enough to get us a blue-chipper. :^^^^:

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hemlock wrote:
davetherave wrote:
hemlock wrote:[I did ask myself and the only reasonable answer is that he Wing Dang Doodle and whines, while playing in Ottawa with 2 premier forwards until we can acquiesce to his majesty's request.

Melynk is a billionaire, and more importantly, a passionate hockey fan. Unless a KHL team made a ridiculous Ronaldo-style offer for him, I can't see him wanting to leave the Sens with a gaping hole in their offence. Particularly when we aren't exactly flush with secondary scoring. I don't think he's takes the money and ships Heatley to Siberia. It would send the wrong message to the fans imo. That's not even counting my earlier point about the league probably not wanting to set this precident.

Hemlock> do you think Ottawa fans would object if Eugene 'exiled' Dany to Siberia? Wink

Well, I'll speak for myself and say, without bringing in talent to replace his offence. Yes. Absolutely.

Well, unless BM can get that kind of a deal before the start of next season, Uncle Eugene has to think about the multi-million dollar hole Dany is burning in his pocket.

And if you think billionaires don't care about that, my friend, then you've never known people with big money.

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davetherave wrote:
hemlock wrote:
davetherave wrote:
hemlock wrote:[I did ask myself and the only reasonable answer is that he Wing Dang Doodle and whines, while playing in Ottawa with 2 premier forwards until we can acquiesce to his majesty's request.

Melynk is a billionaire, and more importantly, a passionate hockey fan. Unless a KHL team made a ridiculous Ronaldo-style offer for him, I can't see him wanting to leave the Sens with a gaping hole in their offence. Particularly when we aren't exactly flush with secondary scoring. I don't think he's takes the money and ships Heatley to Siberia. It would send the wrong message to the fans imo. That's not even counting my earlier point about the league probably not wanting to set this precident.

Hemlock> do you think Ottawa fans would object if Eugene 'exiled' Dany to Siberia? Wink

Well, I'll speak for myself and say, without bringing in talent to replace his offence. Yes. Absolutely.

Well, unless BM can get that kind of a deal before the start of next season, Uncle Eugene has to think about the multi-million dollar hole Dany is burning in his pocket.

And if you think billionaires don't care about that, my friend, then you've never known people with big money.

Don't presume to tell me what I do and do not know. Thanks.

Barring a trade, Heatley WILL either play in Ottawa, or not report, and be suspended. Either way Melnyk won't be shelling out his salary for nothing. If if goes to pre-season and Heatley is around, he will report. It's his only move. Sit and and be forced to not play hockey does nothing to help him. In fact, it only worsens his postion.

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Well Hemlock, I see you are getting very sensitive about this. Smile

Neither you, nor I, nor anyone else, knows what's going to happen.

And you are the one being presumptuous here to presume that I am being presumptuous... Wink

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davetherave wrote:Well Hemlock, I see you are getting very sensitive about this. Smile

Neither you, nor I, nor anyone else, knows what's going to happen.

And you are the one being presumptuous here to presume that I am being presumptuous... Wink

Sensitive? No. I just don't care for your tone. I think there are more constructive ways to get your point across than saying something like "You don't have a clue" or "You don't know what you are talking about." Apparently, you either don't know this, or don't care. Either way...respect -1.

In the future though, I'll be better served knowing that you'll overreact when someone disagree with your lofty opinions. You know, things like the Atlanta situation, because clearly, you are the expert.

Go ahead, have the last word. You know you can't stop yourself anyway.

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marakh wrote:Does Siberia have a top 5 pick ?

In the KHL draft, presumably.

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Allen Panzeri from The Ottawa Citizen provides further perspective in his article today:

Heatley may have to compromise
Winger's wish list could prove moot given price tag

Allen Panzeri, The Citizen, June 18, 2009

While the teams on Dany Heatley's preferred list have not yet leaked out, the Vancouver Canucks, Calgary Flames and Edmonton Oilers -- all close to his family home in Calgary and his summer home in Kelowna -- are most prominently being mentioned among NHL agents and general managers.

However, Heatley may find the path to his dream team blocked by the length and size of his contract, which general managers are telling agents is "untradeable" to all but three or four teams. That could force the Heatley camp into three unpalatable choices: accept a trade to a team not on the preferred list, sit out and not get paid or return to Ottawa.

This talk on the street reinforces how difficult it will be for Senators general manager Bryan Murray to deal Heatley, who has five years left on his contract, with a cap hit of $7.5 million U.S. a year.

"The term and money of his contract are difficult for a lot of teams to deal with," one prominent U.S.-based agent said Thursday. "I've talked to a lot of (general managers) over the last few days and they say that he is untradeable except to maybe three or four teams, and those are teams that are not desirable."

A big part of Murray's problem, said another agent, is that Heatley's "demand for a trade has really limited the ability of his (general manager) to make a trade.

"There's a difference between asking for a trade and demanding a trade -- a difference between saying, 'Look, I don't want to hurt the team and I want to help you get back equal value for me.'"

Even as agents do work for their own players at this critical time of the year, less than two weeks before the start of the free-agent market on July 1, they find themselves talking about Heatley.

To those on the outside, coach Cory Clouston, said to be main reason for Heatley's request to traded, appeared to be doing all the right things. He was getting results and finally holding the players accountable, something that previous coaches John Paddock and Craig Hartsburg didn't do.

"Did he not like it that Clouston was making them all accountable?" asked one agent.

Where Heatley lands depends on a number of factors, hardly any of them in his control.

While the Flames would have trouble fitting Heatley's contract under the salary cap without dumping some salary, which it would undoubtedly do in a swap, the Oilers and the Canucks remain as possibilities.

"Edmonton could probably pull it off," said one agent, "but would they be willing to part with some of their good, young assets for Dany?

"In Vancouver, if the Canucks don't re-sign the Sedins (Daniel and Henrik), which is looking less likely, and if they don't re-sign (Mattias) Ohlund, they would have the cap room.

"But would they have the assets to go back the other way?"

There's some thought, though, that if the Canucks don't re-sign the Sedins, they'll go after someone else, such as Martin Havlat, Marian Hossa or Marian Gaborik and structure a deal that is more agreeable than Heatley's.

Murray is watching the clock, too, because of the $4- million signing bonus that is due to Heatley on July 1.

What that will do is make Heatley's price tag higher after July 1, said one agent. If Murray has to pay the bonus, he'll be looking for more in return to compensate.

Under the collective bargaining agreement, teams can't trade cash, so Murray would be looking for an asset as compensation.

"Whatever Bryan asks for on June 30 is going to dramatically increase on July 2," said one agent.

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davetherave wrote:
Murray is watching the clock, too, because of the $4- million signing bonus that is due to Heatley on July 1.

What that will do is make Heatley's price tag higher after July 1, said one agent. If Murray has to pay the bonus, he'll be looking for more in return to compensate.

Under the collective bargaining agreement, teams can't trade cash, so Murray would be looking for an asset as compensation.

"Whatever Bryan asks for on June 30 is going to dramatically increase on July 2," said one agent.

What do you know... that's [/i]exactly[i] what I said about the situation right after Booboo released his 'big scoop.' Another reason why that $4mil 'bonus' is not the big bogey man it's being made out to be.

Note, too, that the story clarifies a point brought up in an earlier thread about the CBA and whether or not team can trading cash. Nice to know!

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rooneypoo wrote:
Note, too, that the story clarifies a point brought up in an earlier thread about the CBA and whether or not team can trading cash. Nice to know!

Is the story reliable tho? I couldn't find anything to that effect in the CBA (not that I'm an expert).

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How about Heatley and Schubert for Perry, Tangradi and the 15th pick

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davetherave wrote:Well Hemlock, I see you are getting very sensitive about this. Smile

Neither you, nor I, nor anyone else, knows what's going to happen.

And you are the one being presumptuous here to presume that I am being presumptuous... Wink

Sensitive? No. I just don't care for your tone. I think there are more constructive ways to get your point across than saying something like "You don't have a clue" or "You don't know what you are talking about." Apparently, you either don't know this, or don't care. Either way...respect -1.

In the future though, I'll be better served knowing that you'll overreact when someone disagree with your lofty opinions. You know, things like the Atlanta situation, because clearly, you are the expert.

Go ahead, have the last word. You know you can't stop yourself anyway.

From what I understand of the word, Dave did not presume anything. He said (paraphrasing):

If you think that billionaires don't care about millions, then you don't know much about billionaires.

The old if-then construct. If the if-clause does not evaluate to true, then the else-clause is not executed.

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rooneypoo wrote:
davetherave wrote:
Murray is watching the clock, too, because of the $4- million signing bonus that is due to Heatley on July 1.

What that will do is make Heatley's price tag higher after July 1, said one agent. If Murray has to pay the bonus, he'll be looking for more in return to compensate.

Under the collective bargaining agreement, teams can't trade cash, so Murray would be looking for an asset as compensation.

"Whatever Bryan asks for on June 30 is going to dramatically increase on July 2," said one agent.

What do you know... that's exactly what I said about the situation right after Booboo released his 'big scoop.' Another reason why that $4mil 'bonus' is not the big bogey man it's being made out to be.

Note, too, that the story clarifies a point brought up in an earlier thread about the CBA and whether or not team can trading cash. Nice to know!

Well, it's good to know that some journalists do read these boards.

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By the way, what's this "Guest" thing? And why did Dave respond to one of the guest's posts as to Hemlock? What did I miss?

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