Would you trade our 1st round pick?

asq2 wrote:

504Heater wrote:Mine is Weber. No one can tell me that there`s not a price on him. Spezza and our first for Weber and Dumont or Arnott and I`m a happy man.

Except me. He's not moving. With all the exodus of talent (Foppa, Timonen, Vokoun, Kariya, Hartnell, Zidlicky, Upshall, Parent, Mason, etc. etc.) and Weber finally coming into his own, there's no way Nashville can afford to deal him. None.

In addition, there is always the possibility that Hedman turns out to be better.

Of course, with the way I'm hyping him, he'll probably turn into a massive disappointment (*knocks on wood*).

I agree. Poile is smart enough to know that Weber is the cornerstone of that franchise. I'd take Weber over just about any young D-man in the NHL right now. The exception being Mike Green. Weber is a stud in his own end too, which only adds to his value when compared to a guy like Phaneuf.

I'll knock on some wood too about Hedman. :lol!:

The real question is what does it take to move up to the 1st or 2nd overall pick? The Sens 1st pick and Heatley will get you there.

dennycrane wrote:The real question is what does it take to move up to the 1st or 2nd overall pick? The Sens 1st pick and Heatley will get you there.

Right now, we're already in the 2nd overall pick position. :D

It kinda puts in perspective how bad we've been this season.

I don`t think that pick should be moved under any circumstance. It`s not just the opportunity to draft a top player who could help put this team back into contention in the near future, but it`s also the chance to have a top player on the team who is making very little money for three years, thus giving us the cap space to bring in other talent should the right person come along. Not to mention that by that time said rookie needs a new deal after his first three years are up, Alfie will likely be coming off the books giving us the room to sign the player likely to a big contract. If the Sens trade this pick, it will set them back for years.

I wouldn't deal our First round pick. In fact since Murray has been unable to make a deal thus far and given the state the Sens are in; I wouldn't bother making a move at this point. It would be a waste of time, assets and cap space IMO.

asq2 wrote:

Tukker wrote:Kyle Turris, J. Toews, Kane, Gagner(maybe)

Not for Gagner, and the first three aren't going anywhere.

I wouldn't. Hedman has the ability to be something else.

Again you are over valuing Hedman, he will not be a generational player.

That's all speculation anyway. He could be the next Pronger, he could be the next Daigle. Nobody knows.

TeamRenzo wrote:

asq2 wrote:

Tukker wrote:Kyle Turris, J. Toews, Kane, Gagner(maybe)

Not for Gagner, and the first three aren't going anywhere.

I wouldn't. Hedman has the ability to be something else.

Again you are over valuing Hedman, he will not be a generational player.

I have to ask, what are you basing your opinion on?

Well, after seeing him play in the WJC, he sure is small for a 6'5" player. He's also undisciplined. And people have no problems criticizing Tavares or questioning his abilities, talent or potential, but funny that only a few dare to do the same to the almighty Hedman. John Tavares > Victor Hedman, it's guaranteed.

Undisciplined? becuase he punched Espo in the head? Do you have anything else?
He may play small now, but playing tough can be taught; size can't. Neither can inate skill and that kid has got it.
Somehow people in this country have managed to overlook the role Hedman was being asked to play in that tournament. He was asked to take on the other team's best line/players. He also managed to make the #1 pick's life very difficult in the gold medal game.

Yeah, I saw him play in Brampton vs. Czech's and he was taking dumb penalties all night, when he wasn't lying on the ground after being run over.

Look, I'm not arguing he will be a good player. Not denying he is the best defenceman in the 2009 draft, but Tavares is the real deal, and the consensus #1 overall pick, according to many scouts.

DashRiprock wrote:Well, after seeing him play in the WJC, he sure is small for a 6'5" player. He's also undisciplined. And people have no problems criticizing Tavares or questioning his abilities, talent or potential, but funny that only a few dare to do the same to the almighty Hedman. John Tavares > Victor Hedman, it's guaranteed.

Seriously, I've asked on several occasions now. Will you answer the question please? Myself and others have pointed out Tavares' lack of size, speed, defensive prowess, and the fact that there are questions about his 5 on 5 play. Yet somehow you seem to avoid at all costs acknowledging these points. Don't accuse us of not seeing Hedman's faults, because I know on more than occassion I have admitted that Hedman could play bigger and needs to pick his spots better on offense sometimes. Others have as well. You cannot even ACKNOWLEDGE Tavares having any faults.

Why the hell do you think he was rated #2 for awhile? He outplays Hedman in the WJC and you are ready to guarantee he will be better? Seriously...just admit he is your cousin or something. Then I could look past the ridiculous blind love you hold for this guy.

I'll ask again...since either you'll answer the question, or prove my point by not answering. Based on the question marks in Tavares' game, which are widely acknowledged, how can you guarantee he'll be better than Hedman? Or any of the other young stars in the NHL for that matter.

RobbyJ wrote:

TeamRenzo wrote:

asq2 wrote:

Tukker wrote:Kyle Turris, J. Toews, Kane, Gagner(maybe)

Not for Gagner, and the first three aren't going anywhere.

I wouldn't. Hedman has the ability to be something else.

Again you are over valuing Hedman, he will not be a generational player.

I have to ask, what are you basing your opinion on?

Ignorance. Noone here that's a "Hedman booster" has come right out and guaranteed or even stated that Hedman WILL be a generational defensive. He does have that potential though, and that's what we are saying.

It's funny TeamRenzo, you never seem to question DRR when he GUARANTEES that Tavares will be better than Hedman, but you question some of us when we talk about the potential of Hedman. Little bit of a double standard there isn't it?

hemlock wrote:

RobbyJ wrote:

TeamRenzo wrote:

asq2 wrote:

Tukker wrote:Kyle Turris, J. Toews, Kane, Gagner(maybe)

Not for Gagner, and the first three aren't going anywhere.

I wouldn't. Hedman has the ability to be something else.

Again you are over valuing Hedman, he will not be a generational player.

I have to ask, what are you basing your opinion on?

Ignorance. Noone here that's a "Hedman booster" has come right out and guaranteed or even stated that Hedman WILL be a generational defensive. He does have that potential though, and that's what we are saying.

It's funny TeamRenzo, you never seem to question DRR when he GUARANTEES that Tavares will be better than Hedman, but you question some of us when we talk about the potential of Hedman. Little bit of a double standard there isn't it?

I don't know, before the WJC there was a lot of Hedman loving going on here. It has died down quite a bit since then. He probably will become a good NHL player, but from his performance at the WJC, he is not as much of a shoe in as everyone thought. He has a lot of work to do. Tavares on the other, although having his faults, will probably immediately join an NHL squad next year and likely contend for the Calder.

Why do I have to point out flaws in Tavares game? I'm entitled to think that Tavares is a better pick. Sure he can improve some aspects of his game, but how couldn't? Some people just don't have the defensive awareness as others do, that is why you get defensive specialists on your team.

Size? He's not small. I've rarely seen him shy away from going into the corners, much more than some players are willing to do.

And it's not really fair to say that Tavares will be better than Hedman, since they are completely different, and play completely different positions. But Tavares will score many goals in the NHL, and add many assists, and make many highlight reels.

Mojo wrote:

hemlock wrote:

RobbyJ wrote:

TeamRenzo wrote:

asq2 wrote:

Tukker wrote:Kyle Turris, J. Toews, Kane, Gagner(maybe)

Not for Gagner, and the first three aren't going anywhere.

I wouldn't. Hedman has the ability to be something else.

Again you are over valuing Hedman, he will not be a generational player.

I have to ask, what are you basing your opinion on?

Ignorance. Noone here that's a "Hedman booster" has come right out and guaranteed or even stated that Hedman WILL be a generational defensive. He does have that potential though, and that's what we are saying.

It's funny TeamRenzo, you never seem to question DRR when he GUARANTEES that Tavares will be better than Hedman, but you question some of us when we talk about the potential of Hedman. Little bit of a double standard there isn't it?

I don't know, before the WJC there was a lot of Hedman loving going on here. It has died down quite a bit since then. He probably will become a good NHL player, but from his performance at the WJC, he is not as much of a shoe in as everyone thought. He has a lot of work to do. Tavares on the other, although having his faults, will probably immediately join an NHL squad next year and likely contend for the Calder.

After Ovechkin played agaisnt Canada as the go to guy for Russia, people questioned whether he could compete consistantly at the next level as well, same with Malkin. Hedman is in the same boat.

Playing against Team Canada has a way of making you look very average.

Also, people should remember that this is a tournament for 19 year olds, for the most part.

Hedman turned 18 I believe on the day of the Sweden-Canada friendly.