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504Heater wrote:Neely4Life wrote:
Well you would have to be pretty blind not to see the tallent, but there are a lot of guys that had tallent and did nothing and were basically career losers.
Adam Oates, Pierre Turgeron, Pat Lafontain, Eric Lindros, right now thats where Spezza falls.
That's where the Sens organization falls IMO. Spezza's been dynamite from day one for us. A few stupid plays, but no more or less than any other young superstar out there.
504Heater wrote:mattshock wrote:A decent rant Heater, but he plays for Ottawa. Every guy in the room is going to be under the scrutiny of the media once in a while. Fisher had it last week, Spezza is this week's flavour.
Soon it will be Vermette's turn, and then full circle back to Gerber.
It's Vermette's turn now. Have a good game tonight (1 goal, 2 assists) or get used to the 3rd line. It ain't working. Unless of course we move Winchester up to be with Spezza and Heatley and move Vermette with Alfie and Fisher.
As a matter of fact, why is it that that isn't the case? Vermette is smooth and silky, we need someone who can go into the corners and retrieve the puck for Heater and Spez. That guy is much more Winchester than it is Vermette.
By contrast, the Fisher line is all about the boardwork, they could use some high end skill to finish off plays - because it's Fisher and Alfie retrieving the puck.
Watch for it...it's coming.
mattshock wrote:Neely4Life wrote:shabbs wrote:HA HA!Neely4Life wrote:Haha, if we are basing Spezza's progress on not giggling in an interview haha, we r in trouble.
As long as he keeps putting up points each season... I'm fine.
Daaah man, there is so much more than points to winning hockey. Frustrates me people do get that or choose to ignore it. He isnt even putting up the numbers this year, he has 9 points, and 4 of those were in 1 game.
He has 13 points
He's playing with Heatley, and first unit powerplay.
We're playing now to win games 2-1 or 3-2. His points will come, I'm confident.
Hopefully he has a monster game tonight.
Neely4Life wrote:
Ok, how hard is it to truely see that Heatley makes Spezza better, same with Alfi, not the other way around.
If this team fails to make the playoffs, you can garentee you will see someone like Brian Little and a 1st here for Spezza, garenteed.
Spezza has to make others better and if the people that always defend Spezza fail to see that, there is no point in talking about it. The only defense people have of Spezza is "he puts up points"
504Heater wrote:Neely4Life wrote:
Ok, how hard is it to truely see that Heatley makes Spezza better, same with Alfi, not the other way around.
If this team fails to make the playoffs, you can garentee you will see someone like Brian Little and a 1st here for Spezza, garenteed.
Spezza has to make others better and if the people that always defend Spezza fail to see that, there is no point in talking about it. The only defense people have of Spezza is "he puts up points"
I totally disagree. Obviously with superstar, elite talents like Alfie and Heatley, they're gonna improve Spezza's numbers, but both Heatley and Alfredsson's number improved dramatically when they were put on a line with Spezza. He's one of the deftest passers in the league - and that's gonna help a guy like Heatley who's a pure-blood sniper. And it's definitely gonna be a career changer for a guy like Alfie, who's a real hard worker, but never got to play with an elite passer.
Career changer. Heatley would still be floundering in Atlanta with Kozlov as his center. He'd still score 40+ goals per year, but he wouldn't have the same panache as he does here being a 50/50 man two years in a row.
People said the same about Thornton and still do, when your center possesses the puck as much as these guys do, they're gonna turn it over, but you can guarantee that when you're put on a line with them, you'll get more chances than you ever did in your life.
mattshock wrote:Why do we care that he produces well with others?!? So every guy in the dugout can't pitch the ball, it doesn't matter.
No one else on this team can create offense like Spezza can. He's our most dangerous playmaker. Do you think Heatley would be close to his 50 every year if he had Fisher, Vermette, Bass, McAmmond, Donovan, or Kelly centering him!?
Spezza and Heatley are still our top offensive threat, and as a result, they get paired against the shutdown pairings, or line matched against the other teams top offensive lines. They play the hard minutes, and rightfully so, and still manage to produce all the while creating better chances for the subsequent lines. (Spezza is usually around +20 too, btw).
I haven't seen a single blind backpass this season, and those used to drive me CRAZY. He's becoming a more defensive minded player on a more defensively minded team. He's buying in. He's scored roughly 90 points in the last three seasons, and he's still only 25.
He's no slouch. He's a playmaker. Management puts him with players who can score goals, and he gets them the puck. "Making the other players around him better" is something I've heard a lot. If he's guilty of anything, it's trying to do too much by himself when paired with lesser talented linemates. That is something that can be easily changed.
wprager wrote:Let's also not forget that Alfie never got more than 80 points in a season until he started playing with Sepzza fulltime. Oh, and with Heater as well.
Spezza is not a player without issues or one who can stop accelerating and coast the rest of his career. That said, there's not a team out there that wouldn't want him on their roster even at $7M per.
Does he make Heatley a better player? You bet! He scored 41 playing in the armpit of the NHL, the dreaded South (l)East Division. It was easier to score goals against those teams. Then he comes to the Sens -- a team that had been in the cusp for so long that *everyone* gets up for games against them, and he goes out and scores 50. Twice.
Spezza makes passes that all but the top 3-5 centers in the league simply cannot make, and he makes them on a regular basis. For a guy who lives on the one-timer, you'd better believe it makes him a better player.
Thornton and Datsyuk are the only players I can think of.wprager wrote:
Spezza makes passes that all but the top 3-5 centers in the league simply cannot make, and he makes them on a regular basis.
Tukker wrote:Thornton and Datsyuk are the only players I can think of.wprager wrote:
Spezza makes passes that all but the top 3-5 centers in the league simply cannot make, and he makes them on a regular basis.
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