GDT - Ottawa vs. Winnipeg - Monday, Sep 26, 4pm EST, CBC

wprager wrote:

cash wrote:

NEELY wrote:Butler hasn't played as well as the guys I threw into the top 6 and Zibanejad has also out played him. Butler is pretty close to useless as a bottom 6 guy, he might be able to stick on the 3rd line as a winger right now but Condra has also been much better.

As you know, the thing about scorers is they'll score when the games matter. If he goes 5 games without touching the score sheet, then there's an issue. I don't think that'll happen though. He has a knack for the net.

I'm pretty sure Alfie doesn't have a point yet, either. Same for Karlsson and Gonchar...

wprager wrote:

NEELY wrote:I don't think Butler has been awful but the guys I listed above have all been much, much better. Butler has been "meh". Kind of like Regin's preseason last year. Butler doesn't look prepared to work.

He's been coasting too much. Time to get those legs moving.

I agree that he doesn't look like he worked very hard in the off-season, but he certainly hasn't been coasting. He doesn't look good, but he also doesn't look lazy.

Alfie has played two games after being out 7 months and having back surgery. Let's just put that into perspective. He didn't look all that great in either game, to be frank. Some said he looked better in the 3rd (which I didn't see) and I'm more than willing to give the guy a break for 10 games or so to get back to game shape.

Karlsson and Gonchar have looked pretty good. I'm pretty sure Karlsson got the assist on Zibanejad's goal -- he had the original shot. The points will come because they've had chances.

Flo The Action wrote:I'd keep Zib on the wing plain and simple. He's played well in the position so far. I have no faith that michalek and/or alfie stay healthy this season. I'd keep Dacosta, regin and zib up here in Ottawa.

as for Butler Its been what 5 games into the pre-season? granted he hasn't done much but things could well change when the season starts. heck the flashy players we're seing now could very well be invisible also... see foligno's pre-seasons.

NEELY wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:I'd keep Zib on the wing plain and simple. He's played well in the position so far. I have no faith that michalek and/or alfie stay healthy this season. I'd keep Dacosta, regin and zib up here in Ottawa.

as for Butler Its been what 5 games into the pre-season? granted he hasn't done much but things could well change when the season starts. heck the flashy players we're seing now could very well be invisible also... see foligno's pre-seasons.

That's all well and good but the question is how do you rightly justify keeping Butler in the lineup over a handful of guys? 14 forwards will probably start the year, maybe 15 if you include Winchester.

shabbs wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:I'd keep Zib on the wing plain and simple. He's played well in the position so far. I have no faith that michalek and/or alfie stay healthy this season. I'd keep Dacosta, regin and zib up here in Ottawa.

as for Butler Its been what 5 games into the pre-season? granted he hasn't done much but things could well change when the season starts. heck the flashy players we're seing now could very well be invisible also... see foligno's pre-seasons.

That's all well and good but the question is how do you rightly justify keeping Butler in the lineup over a handful of guys? 14 forwards will probably start the year, maybe 15 if you include Winchester.

It always comes down to the 1-way contract... always... we say this every year...

NEELY wrote:1 ways are a lot more relivant when teams are closer to the cap. There is plenty of space to sit a guy if he isn't performing.

shabbs wrote:

NEELY wrote:1 ways are a lot more relivant when teams are closer to the cap. There is plenty of space to sit a guy if he isn't performing.

Agreed. But two-ways are also relevant when you're in a "rebuild" and looking to stay as close to the floor as possible.

NEELY wrote:

shabbs wrote:

NEELY wrote:1 ways are a lot more relivant when teams are closer to the cap. There is plenty of space to sit a guy if he isn't performing.

Agreed. But two-ways are also relevant when you're in a "rebuild" and looking to stay as close to the floor as possible.

Doesn't matter who has 1 ways if players keep getting banged up. Regin out, Zibanejad officially a Sen.