rumours of the week

Dash wrote:Redden?

Declining numbers, not non-existant numbers.

SeawaySensFan wrote:
I know. Nobody seems to like Jokinen for whatever reason. I was just trying to find a good player in what is not a great lineup. Phaneuf makes a lot of money and his numbers are declining. Calgary really doesn't have anything enticing.

J-Bo?

RobbyJ wrote:Don't discount the caps making a move for Kovy. The Caps could offer up Semin who the Thrashers could keep as an RFA. I would rather pay Kovy 8-9M than the 7M Semin is going to want.

7 million dollar for Semin? Hmmm....I would hope he sees the light and signs a 5.75 ish contract and stays with the Caps, but if he wants 7 million...bu bye.

SpezDispenser wrote:

Dash wrote:If Kovalchuk is moved, I'm putting my money on LA. They got the cap room, they got the assets. Two huge factors. Not only can they trade for him, but they could keep him.

Let's start with a 1st, Frolov and... Voinov or Loktionov?

Teubert or Hickey have to be a part of that deal - and the Kings are notorious (and rightfully so) to not give up prospects or young players. Now wouldn't be the time to start IMO.

Really? Not even for Kovalchuk re-signed? He's proven and he's young. LA would be the perfect team for him. It's not a lot to give up for LA. They have a lot of prospects. I wouldn't suggest giving up Teubert, Hickey or Schenn, but the Russian prospects are quite good, nothing to sneeze at.

Any of those guys listed are better than Angelo Esposito.

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:
I know. Nobody seems to like Jokinen for whatever reason. I was just trying to find a good player in what is not a great lineup. Phaneuf makes a lot of money and his numbers are declining. Calgary really doesn't have anything enticing.

J-Bo?

Gotta say he has not been too impressive this year. He's got the same numbers as Picard, who has played 5 less games.

Dash wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:
I know. Nobody seems to like Jokinen for whatever reason. I was just trying to find a good player in what is not a great lineup. Phaneuf makes a lot of money and his numbers are declining. Calgary really doesn't have anything enticing.

J-Bo?

Gotta say he has not been too impressive this year. He's got the same numbers as Picard, who has played 5 less games.

Also, I'm pretty sure he's untouchable. That's why I didn't consider him.

Dash wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

Dash wrote:If Kovalchuk is moved, I'm putting my money on LA. They got the cap room, they got the assets. Two huge factors. Not only can they trade for him, but they could keep him.

Let's start with a 1st, Frolov and... Voinov or Loktionov?

Teubert or Hickey have to be a part of that deal - and the Kings are notorious (and rightfully so) to not give up prospects or young players. Now wouldn't be the time to start IMO.

Really? Not even for Kovalchuk re-signed? He's proven and he's young. LA would be the perfect team for him. It's not a lot to give up for LA. They have a lot of prospects. I wouldn't suggest giving up Teubert, Hickey or Schenn, but the Russian prospects are quite good, nothing to sneeze at.

Any of those guys listed are better than Angelo Esposito.

Once bitten twice shy though. Waddell cannot afford to Diddle this one up like he did with the Hossa deal. I realize hindsight is 20/20, but boy did he get the short end of the talent stick with Hossa (Armstrong is okay, Christiensen is gone, Esposito is busting and injured). Plus, no offense to Hossa, but Kovalchuk is 10 times better. So a 1st rounder, a top 6 player right now and a blue chip - or some semblance of that.

SpezDispenser wrote:

RobbyJ wrote:Don't discount the caps making a move for Kovy. The Caps could offer up Semin who the Thrashers could keep as an RFA. I would rather pay Kovy 8-9M than the 7M Semin is going to want.

7 million dollar for Semin? Hmmm....I would hope he sees the light and signs a 5.75 ish contract and stays with the Caps, but if he wants 7 million...bu bye.

Well, he makes 4.6M now and is quite impressed with his own abilities, so maybe he'd "settle" for 6M. He just seems like a pay me what I want or I'm going home kind of player.

SpezDispenser wrote:

RobbyJ wrote:Don't discount the caps making a move for Kovy. The Caps could offer up Semin who the Thrashers could keep as an RFA. I would rather pay Kovy 8-9M than the 7M Semin is going to want.

7 million dollar for Semin? Hmmm....I would hope he sees the light and signs a 5.75 ish contract and stays with the Caps, but if he wants 7 million...bu bye.

semin has never gotten higher numbers then 75 points i think? too many injuries i think. that should keep his hit bellow 6 mill i would think.

Dash wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:
I know. Nobody seems to like Jokinen for whatever reason. I was just trying to find a good player in what is not a great lineup. Phaneuf makes a lot of money and his numbers are declining. Calgary really doesn't have anything enticing.

J-Bo?

Gotta say he has not been too impressive this year. He's got the same numbers as Picard, who has played 5 less games.

Yeah, he's been less than stellar. BUT, he's got the best skating of all young D-men and adds a crazy element of speed and skill.

SpezDispenser wrote:

Dash wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

Dash wrote:If Kovalchuk is moved, I'm putting my money on LA. They got the cap room, they got the assets. Two huge factors. Not only can they trade for him, but they could keep him.

Let's start with a 1st, Frolov and... Voinov or Loktionov?

Teubert or Hickey have to be a part of that deal - and the Kings are notorious (and rightfully so) to not give up prospects or young players. Now wouldn't be the time to start IMO.

Really? Not even for Kovalchuk re-signed? He's proven and he's young. LA would be the perfect team for him. It's not a lot to give up for LA. They have a lot of prospects. I wouldn't suggest giving up Teubert, Hickey or Schenn, but the Russian prospects are quite good, nothing to sneeze at.

Any of those guys listed are better than Angelo Esposito.

Once bitten twice shy though. Waddell cannot afford to Diddle this one up like he did with the Hossa deal. I realize hindsight is 20/20, but boy did he get the short end of the talent stick with Hossa (Armstrong is okay, Christiensen is gone, Esposito is busting and injured). Plus, no offense to Hossa, but Kovalchuk is 10 times better. So a 1st rounder, a top 6 player right now and a blue chip - or some semblance of that.

Frolov = top 6 fwd, Voynov (7.5 C rating from Hockeysfuture).

More than what a lot of teams could offer, plus I don't think Semin will be traded.

SpezDispenser wrote:

Yeah, he's been less than stellar. BUT, he's got the best skating of all young D-men and adds a crazy element of speed and skill.

J-Bo makes slightly more than Phaneuf but I would still take him waaaaaay before Phaneuf.

Dash wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

Dash wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

Dash wrote:If Kovalchuk is moved, I'm putting my money on LA. They got the cap room, they got the assets. Two huge factors. Not only can they trade for him, but they could keep him.

Let's start with a 1st, Frolov and... Voinov or Loktionov?

Teubert or Hickey have to be a part of that deal - and the Kings are notorious (and rightfully so) to not give up prospects or young players. Now wouldn't be the time to start IMO.

Really? Not even for Kovalchuk re-signed? He's proven and he's young. LA would be the perfect team for him. It's not a lot to give up for LA. They have a lot of prospects. I wouldn't suggest giving up Teubert, Hickey or Schenn, but the Russian prospects are quite good, nothing to sneeze at.

Any of those guys listed are better than Angelo Esposito.

Once bitten twice shy though. Waddell cannot afford to Diddle this one up like he did with the Hossa deal. I realize hindsight is 20/20, but boy did he get the short end of the talent stick with Hossa (Armstrong is okay, Christiensen is gone, Esposito is busting and injured). Plus, no offense to Hossa, but Kovalchuk is 10 times better. So a 1st rounder, a top 6 player right now and a blue chip - or some semblance of that.

Frolov = top 6 fwd, Voynov (7.5 C rating from Hockeysfuture).

More than what a lot of teams could offer, plus I don't think Semin will be traded.

I don't think he'll be traded until the off-season either, unless it is in a deal that brings in an upgrade. Only Kovy fits that bill.

RobbyJ wrote:Well, he makes 4.6M now and is quite impressed with his own abilities, so maybe he'd "settle" for 6M. He just seems like a pay me what I want or I'm going home kind of player.

Yeah, he does seem to impress himself a lot. I hope he and his agent realize that he's in the PERFECT place to make 5.5-6 million dollars, not have the burning spotlight of pressure on him AND get to play with the league's best winger.

But yeah, I don't even know if the Caps can afford to sign him and Backstrom at the same time.

Well, here's the situation - they are in no panic to trade him at all even. He's an RFA and if they can't re-sign him, then they could either trade him, or a team can make an offer that Washington either matches, or walks-away from, and likely would get three 1st rnd picks.

RobbyJ wrote:Frolov = top 6 fwd, Voynov (7.5 C rating from Hockeysfuture).

More than what a lot of teams could offer, plus I don't think Semin will be traded.

I don't think he'll be traded until the off-season either, unless it is in a deal that brings in an upgrade. Only Kovy fits that bill.[/quote]

Except Frolov's an upcoming UFA and I doubt Waddell wants that coming back. This is gonna be incredibly tricky IMO, Waddell has a big chance to either sign this big guy - or reshape his team once and for all. He's done a great job RECENTLY, but this defines whether he keeps his job or not (again IMO).

As for Semin - how can he be traded in the off-season, he's a UFA? At most, he'd get a minimal, J-Bo-like return.

Dash wrote:Well, here's the situation - they are in no panic to trade him at all even. He's an RFA and if they can't re-sign him, then they could either trade him, or a team can make an offer that Washington either matches, or walks-away from, and likely would get three 1st rnd picks.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....he's an RFA. That I didn't realize.

SpezDispenser wrote:

RobbyJ wrote:Well, he makes 4.6M now and is quite impressed with his own abilities, so maybe he'd "settle" for 6M. He just seems like a pay me what I want or I'm going home kind of player.

Yeah, he does seem to impress himself a lot. I hope he and his agent realize that he's in the PERFECT place to make 5.5-6 million dollars, not have the burning spotlight of pressure on him AND get to play with the league's best winger.

But yeah, I don't even know if the Caps can afford to sign him and Backstrom at the same time.

They'd have a lot of money tied up in 4 players, but they'd have 4 really good players lol. And for argument sake, let's say Backstrom and Semin get Toews/Kane deals.

Ovechkin -9.5
Greene - 5.25
Semin - 6.3
Backstrom - 6.3

That's 27.35M tied up in 4 players. That's almost half the cap. Yes, it is a lot, and yeah, Washington would probably not want that situation, but it is doable if they fill out the team with cheap contracts.