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Neely4Life wrote:Well if there is a new coach coming in, this will be SPezza's 5th coach in 6 seasons... Ill let people draw their own conclussions, Ive had mine drawn for a while about the guy.
Jordo wrote:Just a random thought- do you think sitting Smith was to light a fire under him so he whips the rest of the team into shape? We know what kind of attitude Smith has when he's in his game... maybe they're trying to get him to come out swinging in the next game and inspire some others? I might be way off- but it's just something to think about. The timing doesn't really make sense...
MurderOnIce wrote:I am torn on the guy myself. There are some nights and stretches of a game where he looks like the best player in the world. Like that overtime against Montreal. He was great. Then he giggles, gets lazy, takes too long a shift, plays with zero discipline, it is frustrating to watch. If he was 100% dedicated we wouldn't be having this discussion at all.
ElliottRules wrote:To sit Smith and expect him to break heads the next game, I think is expecting too much. I am sure that he is pissed but don't you think he has been pissed and embarassed since the beginning of the season? For a veteran, he doesn't need to be a healthy scratch to get him to bust heads in the locker room. This is something a guy like Smith attempts to do on all the teams he has been on. The fact that he wasn't even given a reason makes he think that he will just think that management has no clue and that they are grasping at straws.
Cronenbergfan wrote:
While I have next to no faith in Mlakar, I think we ALL know that deep-down, Murray knows what he's doing, and if he asked or TOLD Hartsburg to sit Smith, Murray had a reason, and hopefully the desired effect will work and take effect, so to speak, otherwise another wasted opportunity I suppose just passed us by.
While I wouldn't mind seeing Smith finish out his contract here, I could see him being fed up and just asking to be moved at this juncture.
504Heater wrote:MurderOnIce wrote:I am torn on the guy myself. There are some nights and stretches of a game where he looks like the best player in the world. Like that overtime against Montreal. He was great. Then he giggles, gets lazy, takes too long a shift, plays with zero discipline, it is frustrating to watch. If he was 100% dedicated we wouldn't be having this discussion at all.
Exactly. Some nights I think he's literally ready to step into the top tier of players, other nights it's a nightmare.
davetherave wrote:Considering the response to the poll where most seem to feel that Murray and Hartsburg are not the problem, it's a little surprising to read the negative comments directed at the coach.
My take, for what it's worth:
Sitting Smith may seem odd to some, but despite his effort, he's just not effective any more.
Putting stars with megacontracts in the press box only kills their trade value.
The fundamental issue with the Sens is that they need a fundamental change in their personality. This won't happen overnight.
IMHO Pete DeBoer went to Florida because he saw he COULD make a dramatic change in a short period. He probably saw that wouldn't happen in Ottawa.
John Tortorella and Bob Hartley might have been tougher and more colourful, but Hartsburg deserves credit for giving this team a defense-oriented system that gives them chances to compete. Chances that the players squander.
The Senators were holding their own last night until they decided to play their individual brand of hockey.
The team won't change until a major trade is made.
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davetherave wrote:Thanks very much MOI. It's a pleasure to discuss hockey with all of you.
Just to clarify my take on Hartsburg, I will use the following metaphor and anecdote.
The Senators remind me of a sales team I once managed at a company that was struggling. You had a few 'superstars', some middle of the pack types, pluggers, a few youngsters and some deadwood.
The 'superstars' weren't performing up to their capability, so I sat down with them and said their best efforts would be needed to turn the company around.
One of them stepped up. The other one kept doing the same thing over and over again. This eventually caused the first one to slip back into bad habits as well.
This had a negative effect on the team. Though they started to adopt the new sales program we had prepared for them, one of the stars, who had a following among the group, openly voiced his disdain for the program.
We fired one of the superstars and promoted the best one of the pluggers; following that, a few of the mid-pack and deadwood types resigned from the company.
The company got turned around.
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Now, about Jason Smith. He is a veteran with a distinguished career. However, last year, the Flyers decided he was done and handed the captaincy over the Mike Richards, while letting Jason leave as a UFA. There were very good reasons for that. One of them is that Jason Smith is just too slow to be an effective starting D-man in the NHL.
Why Bryan Murray signed him on a two year deal for 2.6MM a year continues to elude me. A one year at 1.25MM, maybe.
Just MHO.
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