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I wonder if everyone that said we had a better player in Joseph over Formenton would still think so.

I remain with the belief that Formenton has more offensive upside and has shown so.

It’s a damn shame he’s not in the lineup.

The NHL keeps dragging its feet in the matter. You’d think they could come up with a resolution of some kind by now.

I wonder if the proceedings have also had an effect on Batherson. He's not playing well (team worst +/-).

Flo The Action wrote:I wonder if everyone that said we had a better player in Joseph over Formenton would still think so.

I remain with the belief that Formenton has more offensive upside and has shown so.

It’s a damn shame he’s not in the lineup.

The NHL keeps dragging its feet in the matter. You’d think they could come up with a resolution of some kind by now.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen that opinion. Formenton is in a different tier than Joseph. However I did see people freak out that Motte was better than formenton (when he was hot) which was stupid.

formenton should have been signed in the summer. There’s no difference between him and anyone else who is playing

I definitely said Motte was a suitable replacement for Formenton. Happy to admit I'm wrong

Ev wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:I wonder if everyone that said we had a better player in Joseph over Formenton would still think so.

I remain with the belief that Formenton has more offensive upside and has shown so.

It’s a damn shame he’s not in the lineup.

The NHL keeps dragging its feet in the matter. You’d think they could come up with a resolution of some kind by now.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen that opinion. Formenton is in a different tier than Joseph. However I did see people freak out that Motte was better than formenton (when he was hot) which was stupid.

formenton should have been signed in the summer. There’s no difference between him and anyone else who is playing

The difference could well be his involvement in the Team Canada 2018 case.

wprager wrote:

Ev wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:I wonder if everyone that said we had a better player in Joseph over Formenton would still think so.

I remain with the belief that Formenton has more offensive upside and has shown so.

It’s a damn shame he’s not in the lineup.

The NHL keeps dragging its feet in the matter. You’d think they could come up with a resolution of some kind by now.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen that opinion. Formenton is in a different tier than Joseph. However I did see people freak out that Motte was better than formenton (when he was hot) which was stupid.

formenton should have been signed in the summer. There’s no difference between him and anyone else who is playing

The difference could well be his involvement in the Team Canada 2018 case.

If he was signed this year (before any of this happened) he’d be playing regardless, is my point. He should have been signed and then dealt with later if he was involved or criminally charged (which isn’t happening)

I guess meaningful games in november is out the window

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:I guess meaningful games in november is out the window

They played quite a few meaningful games in November, lost most of them.

At this point it's pretty obvious that DJ won't survive much past the sale of the team. Only thing keeping him behind the bench at this point is that the current owners have their hands tied with hiring someone long-term. Interim is the only way to go, and to save on salaries they could just flip DJ and Capuano. At least he had previous head-coaching experience.

wprager wrote:

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:I guess meaningful games in november is out the window

They played quite a few meaningful games in November, lost most of them.

At this point it's pretty obvious that DJ won't survive much past the sale of the team.  Only thing keeping him behind the bench at this point is that the current owners have their hands tied with hiring someone long-term.  Interim is the only way to go, and to save on salaries they could just flip DJ and Capuano.  At least he had previous head-coaching experience.

Capuano is the defense coach. Last person I'd like to see in charge of this team. So I guess we start looking at ways to thin things out:

- Talbot, Holden, Watson, Motte, Hamonic, Brannstrom, Zaitsev (lol) should all be considered for trade. I suspect there will be a pretty good market for Talbot, especially if a goalie or two go down. Hello Edmonton?
- If Zub isn't signed by January I'd look at moving him as well. Not that I want to but the risk of him signing somewhere else without recouping assets is unacceptable
- They need to figure out what to do with Formenton. I am sure they've consulted the league for guidance but it's a pretty unfair situation for everyone involved.

At this point I'd much prefer we tank vs overpaying for short-term help. It's a pretty good top-five draft-wise. Realistically if we can secure Bedard or Fantilli and go back at a d-man or two via FA we can turn this around for next year. I'm assuming we're not getting Bedard.

Honestly, do you think Capuano could do worse as a head coach? Maybe getting DJ to coach the D would actually be a good thing? Or what about Davis Payne? I'm sure they all realize they are auditioning for their next interview at this point, and turning around a last-place team is a great way to do that.

I think they need to clean house which includes Dorion

It's been the same management group with terrible results for far too long. And they need a coaching staff with something worthwhile on their resume

wprager wrote:Honestly, do you think Capuano could do worse as a head coach? Maybe getting DJ to coach the D would actually be a good thing? Or what about Davis Payne?  I'm sure they all realize they are auditioning for their next interview at this point, and turning around a last-place team is a great way to do that.

I don’t think coaching has been that bad. We’ve been unlucky on the ice and with key injuries. We don’t have the depth or experience to make up for that yet. However I don’t see DJ coaching next year.

Ev wrote:

wprager wrote:Honestly, do you think Capuano could do worse as a head coach? Maybe getting DJ to coach the D would actually be a good thing? Or what about Davis Payne?  I'm sure they all realize they are auditioning for their next interview at this point, and turning around a last-place team is a great way to do that.

I don’t think coaching has been that bad. We’ve been unlucky on the ice and with key injuries. We don’t have the depth or experience to make up for that yet. However I don’t see DJ coaching next year.

I have to disagree. We've got a top-six that's the envy of the league and they are playing dump-and-chase. That's coaching. DeBrincat was supposed to play with Stutzle and that's how they lined up during pre-season, but then he inexplicably started the season with them on separate lines; DeBrincat has played the most minutes with a PTO pick up, and that's even after Brassard was a health scratch the first 5 games. I'm assuming that's also on the coach. The PP has been terribly inconsistent, but when you have a 40-goal scorer why is he not playing his off side (left) for the one-timers he's obviously good at? Again, that's coaching. There are many other dubious personnel decisions like not having Giroux take the faceoff, playing Zaitsev until he got waived, promoting Joseph to the second line instead of benching him, sitting Kastelic, and so on.

wprager wrote:

Ev wrote:

wprager wrote:Honestly, do you think Capuano could do worse as a head coach? Maybe getting DJ to coach the D would actually be a good thing? Or what about Davis Payne?  I'm sure they all realize they are auditioning for their next interview at this point, and turning around a last-place team is a great way to do that.

I don’t think coaching has been that bad. We’ve been unlucky on the ice and with key injuries. We don’t have the depth or experience to make up for that yet. However I don’t see DJ coaching next year.

I have to disagree.  We've got a top-six that's the envy of the league and they are playing dump-and-chase.  That's coaching.  DeBrincat was supposed to play with Stutzle and that's how they lined up during pre-season, but then he inexplicably started the season with them on separate lines; DeBrincat has played the most minutes with a PTO pick up, and that's even after Brassard was a health scratch the first 5 games.  I'm assuming that's also on the coach.  The PP has been terribly inconsistent, but when you have a 40-goal scorer why is he not playing his off side (left) for the one-timers he's obviously good at?  Again, that's coaching.  There are many other dubious personnel decisions like not having Giroux take the faceoff, playing Zaitsev until he got waived, promoting Joseph to the second line instead of benching him, sitting Kastelic, and so on.  

When a coach starts juggling lines and still not getting results it's because he's out of ideas. He's done. He may still have the room but he's lost the fan base,  and when people stop going to games because they continue to lose, you have to start listening.

wprager wrote:

Ev wrote:

wprager wrote:Honestly, do you think Capuano could do worse as a head coach? Maybe getting DJ to coach the D would actually be a good thing? Or what about Davis Payne?  I'm sure they all realize they are auditioning for their next interview at this point, and turning around a last-place team is a great way to do that.

I don’t think coaching has been that bad. We’ve been unlucky on the ice and with key injuries. We don’t have the depth or experience to make up for that yet. However I don’t see DJ coaching next year.

I have to disagree.  We've got a top-six that's the envy of the league and they are playing dump-and-chase.  That's coaching.  DeBrincat was supposed to play with Stutzle and that's how they lined up during pre-season, but then he inexplicably started the season with them on separate lines; DeBrincat has played the most minutes with a PTO pick up, and that's even after Brassard was a health scratch the first 5 games.  I'm assuming that's also on the coach.  The PP has been terribly inconsistent, but when you have a 40-goal scorer why is he not playing his off side (left) for the one-timers he's obviously good at?  Again, that's coaching.  There are many other dubious personnel decisions like not having Giroux take the faceoff, playing Zaitsev until he got waived, promoting Joseph to the second line instead of benching him, sitting Kastelic, and so on.  

Every team plays dump and chase. Ottawa fans just don’t watch other teams. We don’t have a top six that the envy of the league when we have Derrick brassard or Shane pinto playing on it.

Stutzle is a disappointing player who makes boneheaded decisions almost every game, I’m not surprised they didn’t want him to play with Debrincat right away.

Debrincat plays virtually every power play on the left side. They switched every now and then.

Again I’m not saying the coaches have been great but they’re playing way better than tied for last in the league. On paper this team isn’t a playoff team regardless or who is coach or not.

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:

wprager wrote:

Ev wrote:

wprager wrote:Honestly, do you think Capuano could do worse as a head coach? Maybe getting DJ to coach the D would actually be a good thing? Or what about Davis Payne?  I'm sure they all realize they are auditioning for their next interview at this point, and turning around a last-place team is a great way to do that.

I don’t think coaching has been that bad. We’ve been unlucky on the ice and with key injuries. We don’t have the depth or experience to make up for that yet. However I don’t see DJ coaching next year.

I have to disagree.  We've got a top-six that's the envy of the league and they are playing dump-and-chase.  That's coaching.  DeBrincat was supposed to play with Stutzle and that's how they lined up during pre-season, but then he inexplicably started the season with them on separate lines; DeBrincat has played the most minutes with a PTO pick up, and that's even after Brassard was a health scratch the first 5 games.  I'm assuming that's also on the coach.  The PP has been terribly inconsistent, but when you have a 40-goal scorer why is he not playing his off side (left) for the one-timers he's obviously good at?  Again, that's coaching.  There are many other dubious personnel decisions like not having Giroux take the faceoff, playing Zaitsev until he got waived, promoting Joseph to the second line instead of benching him, sitting Kastelic, and so on.  

When a coach starts juggling lines and still not getting results it's because he's out of ideas. He's done. He may still have the room but he's lost the fan base,  and when people stop going to games because they continue to lose, you have to start listening.

You never have to listen to the fans. They don’t know what they’re talking about most of the time

They are the ones paying most of the money.