GAME DAY #18: Red Wings @ Sens - 7:30pm - Monday Nov. 16 2015

wprager wrote:I've got to disagree.  While 5v5 is a good indicator for a player (when comparing player effectiveness) good special teams are good on so many levels:
- a very effective PK allows the team to be more aggressive (less afraid to take penalties)
- similarly, a very effective PP makes the other team less aggressive
- a PK that scores a lot of shorthanded goals makes the other team's PP more risk averse, taking fewer chances

Also, as I stated, a great PP or PK generates a log of momentum (primarily at home).

Urkie wrote:

wprager wrote:I've got to disagree.  While 5v5 is a good indicator for a player (when comparing player effectiveness) good special teams are good on so many levels:
- a very effective PK allows the team to be more aggressive (less afraid to take penalties)
- similarly, a very effective PP makes the other team less aggressive
- a PK that scores a lot of shorthanded goals makes the other team's PP more risk averse, taking fewer chances

Also, as I stated, a great PP or PK generates a log of momentum (primarily at home).

That is true but you look at PP's going down over the last little while and it's kind of mind boggling really. For example, the Sens are 28th or something on the PK in the league yet they have an above .500 record. That wouldn't have happened 5 years ago. Not a chance. They would be giving up so many goals that they couldn't possibly recover.

wprager wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:

wprager wrote:Pageau has been "disappointing" because of unrealistic expectations.  

I really don't think that's that case.  Speed, skill, character.  He has the tools to make a much bigger impact.  

That hat trick against the Habs in the post-season, the "Pageau, Pageau, Pageau, Pageau" chants -- those things make you forget that he is still an undersized, sophomore 4th rounder.  Four goals in 18 games while killing penalties is pretty not bad for a sophomore 4th rounder.  You think he should have how many, 5? 6 goals?  6 in 18 would put him on a 27-goal pace.  That's unrealistic for his pedigree and experience level.

He just hasn't done much "wow" stuff in a few games.

wprager wrote:

Urkie wrote:

wprager wrote:I've got to disagree.  While 5v5 is a good indicator for a player (when comparing player effectiveness) good special teams are good on so many levels:
- a very effective PK allows the team to be more aggressive (less afraid to take penalties)
- similarly, a very effective PP makes the other team less aggressive
- a PK that scores a lot of shorthanded goals makes the other team's PP more risk averse, taking fewer chances

Also, as I stated, a great PP or PK generates a log of momentum (primarily at home).

That is true but you look at PP's going down over the last little while and it's kind of mind boggling really. For example, the Sens are 28th or something on the PK in the league yet they have an above .500 record. That wouldn't have happened 5 years ago. Not a chance. They would be giving up so many goals that they couldn't possibly recover.

What's their PP/PK differential, though. You better believe minors are up over 10 years ago.

wprager wrote:I meant number of times shorthanded versus number of power plays.