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SpezDispensed wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:

SpezDispensed wrote:A lot of swirling going on in Colorado.  Adrian Dater is saying he thinks perhaps Duchene is on the block, but if not specifically him, there'll be others.  Colorado is not pleased.

What do they need? Zib, wier and somethings else? Make It happen!!!!

Chabot + Lazar + 1st?  Not sure.

Are you Cussing insane? No way am I giving Chabot away.
I can buy into lazar but not Chabot. Besides if I'm right I think their need really lies on defence right now. Ok weir might be struggling but that might be something they can bite on to try and fill their need.(unless they want cowen)
Anyways, I hope Murray is working the phones if duschene is truly available. Makes Zib expendable at this point though. I guess you can put him on the third line or slide him left wing on the second.

Hey make it happen. I could buy into the 1st rounder also.

Yeah that was a lot lol. Chabot + 1st? No idea, but as everyone heard McKenzie said that dreger is saying Ottawa and Colorado are talking.

McKenzie said the Colorado called Ottawa. I see pretty much no way that Duchesne winds up here, especially since our primary need is a defenceman. The price for Duchesne will be too high, both in assets and in cap hit for the Sens.

If Colorado initiated it is because they want someone. If it's D then it would have to be one of Ceci, Cowen or Weir plus high prospect and pick. I wouldn't be surprised if they wanted Chabot, Pat Roy has lots of contacts in the Q.

Wouldn't give up Chabot. But would give up zibanejad who would fit nicely with landeskog as they played together growing up

Zinanedaj and Ceci would be plenty.

Is this deal official yet?

SeawaySensFan wrote:Is this deal official yet?

Only a matter of time old friend. You can quote me on that.

SeawaySensFan wrote:Zinanedaj and Ceci would be plenty.

I'd do that any day. But we need to replace Ceci with someone else.

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SeawaySensFan wrote:Zinanedaj and Ceci would be plenty.

I'd do that any day. But we need to replace Ceci with someone else.[/quiote]

That is so much though. Seems like too much perhaps.

LeCaptain wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:Zinanedaj and Ceci would be plenty.

I'd do that any day. But we need to replace Ceci with someone else.

We are a worse team after doing that.

Don't underestimate how much Bryan Murray loves ZBad and Ceci. He has said that he sees ZBad as a future #1 centre. I really don't see him trading both guys for Duchesne. I think, in addition to Karlsson and Methot, that Ceci is pretty much untouchable in his mind.

On that Duschene thing, was listening the Insider Trading TSN segment, apparently Murray is saying anyone on D not named Karlsson is available (although it would take a lot of convincing to get Methot, who also has a full no-trade clause). Also, whoever takes one (or two) of the Sens' D would also have to take Greening. So I guess we're stuck with what we have?

Did McGuire throw both Cameron and Hammond under the bus on TGOR? When asked how the Preds end up scoring 7 goals one game, then lose 2-1 to the Leafs in a shootout the next game, he immediately answers: The Babcock Factor. And here we were thinking it was our D.

Then when they asked if Cameron should go with the hot hand and continue playing Hammond he said Hammond has not been very good, giving up a couple stinkers again last night, and Vancouver could have scored a lot more.

Huh???! I agree that 2nd goal was a stinker, but it came with 34 seconds to go and a 2-goal lead, after he stopped all 18 shots in the 1st and 2nd (the goal in the 1st was off a skate, so ot a shot, technically). Sure, there was that puck behind him that Boro cleared away, and one of the twins hit a post dead on, but those are all part of the game. I thought Hammond was great last night, except for that goal with 34 to go (and let's not forget it was a 6 on 4 so he had to worry about the shooter and the pass, maybe he was cheating a bit -- still a stinker, though).

We let the Preds D shoot all over the ice and the Leafs were able to limit them big time.
You are a stats guy, look at this:
Against Ottawa: 23 SOG for the Preds defensemen
Against Toronto: 5 SOG

So Yes, it's the babcock factor, how can you disagree?

wprager wrote:On that Duschene thing, was listening the Insider Trading TSN segment, apparently Murray is saying anyone on D not named Karlsson is available (although it would take a lot of convincing to get Methot, who also has a full no-trade clause).  Also, whoever takes one (or two) of the Sens' D would also have to take Greening.  So I guess we're stuck with what we have?

The whole thing with Duchene's name coming out so suddenly is weird. Originally, on the pre-game show on TSN 1200 last night, they had Bobby Mac on, and Mendes asked him specifically if there were any quality defencemen on the market that the Sens might be able to get, since the Sens are obviously struggling on D. Bobby Mac totally ignored that question and immediately launched into Matt Duchene being available, and Ottawa trying to trade AWAY a defenceman, and linking Greening's contract to it. So Bobby Mac didn't answer the question at all. It was strange.

Anyway, so assuming Ottawa is trying to trade away one of our weaker d-men (specifically, Wiercioch, Cowen, or Boro), and then also trying to attach Greening to it...what's the value in that? Negative? Like, maybe we get a 7th round pick or a bad contract in return? It's not like we're trading Wiercioch and Greening for Duchene.

So none of that is encouraging, and it seems like the search for a quality defenceman is non-existent. But hey, let's focus on Duchene?

tim1_2 wrote:

wprager wrote:On that Duschene thing, was listening the Insider Trading TSN segment, apparently Murray is saying anyone on D not named Karlsson is available (although it would take a lot of convincing to get Methot, who also has a full no-trade clause).  Also, whoever takes one (or two) of the Sens' D would also have to take Greening.  So I guess we're stuck with what we have?

The whole thing with Duchene's name coming out so suddenly is weird.  Originally, on the pre-game show on TSN 1200 last night, they had Bobby Mac on, and Mendes asked him specifically if there were any quality defencemen on the market that the Sens might be able to get, since the Sens are obviously struggling on D.  Bobby Mac totally ignored that question and immediately launched into Matt Duchene being available, and Ottawa trying to trade AWAY a defenceman, and linking Greening's contract to it.  So Bobby Mac didn't answer the question at all.  It was strange.

Anyway, so assuming Ottawa is trying to trade away one of our weaker d-men (specifically, Wiercioch, Cowen, or Boro), and then also trying to attach Greening to it...what's the value in that?  Negative?  Like, maybe we get a 7th round pick or a bad contract in return?  It's not like we're trading Wiercioch and Greening for Duchene.

So none of that is encouraging, and it seems like the search for a quality defenceman is non-existent.  But hey, let's focus on Duchene?

We flip Duchene for Josi?

tim1_2 wrote:

wprager wrote:On that Duschene thing, was listening the Insider Trading TSN segment, apparently Murray is saying anyone on D not named Karlsson is available (although it would take a lot of convincing to get Methot, who also has a full no-trade clause).  Also, whoever takes one (or two) of the Sens' D would also have to take Greening.  So I guess we're stuck with what we have?

The whole thing with Duchene's name coming out so suddenly is weird.  Originally, on the pre-game show on TSN 1200 last night, they had Bobby Mac on, and Mendes asked him specifically if there were any quality defencemen on the market that the Sens might be able to get, since the Sens are obviously struggling on D.  Bobby Mac totally ignored that question and immediately launched into Matt Duchene being available, and Ottawa trying to trade AWAY a defenceman, and linking Greening's contract to it.  So Bobby Mac didn't answer the question at all.  It was strange.

Anyway, so assuming Ottawa is trying to trade away one of our weaker d-men (specifically, Wiercioch, Cowen, or Boro), and then also trying to attach Greening to it...what's the value in that?  Negative?  Like, maybe we get a 7th round pick or a bad contract in return?  It's not like we're trading Wiercioch and Greening for Duchene.

So none of that is encouraging, and it seems like the search for a quality defenceman is non-existent.  But hey, let's focus on Duchene?

If Karlsson and Methot are untouchables, the next one is Ceci, not Weircioch or Cowen. Cowen has size and used to have pedigree (high draft pick). Weircioch had half a good season that got him noticed last year, not much since then. But he could go on a bit of a streak, never know. But to get Duchene you give up Ceci to start the discussion.