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SeawaySensFan wrote:I think a decade is a fair timeline for a trade to happen too.

If I had a mouthful of coffee at the start of reading that it would have been all over my monitor by now.

NEELY wrote:In all honesty I think a big reason a trade hasn't gone down yet is because they are waiting on Methot to be 100% or close to and then move him after a few games back and I believe this is known by the Methot camp as well.  Larry Kelly has screwed Methot's relationship with Ottawa up so badly there is no going back, it's a matter of time before he's shipped off.

I guess now, too, they might be waiting to see how the players respond to the change in coaching followed by the "Christmas trade freeze" followed by whatever other delay you can come up with. Plus, who needs to trade when you fake injuries?

Well Lehner is off IR tomorrow I believe but not 100% sure about that, Methot is off IR, so that just leaves Wiercioch. You're right though, not sure what other kind of BS is going to prevent the other shoe from dropping at this point.

Oglethorpe wrote:After listening to MacLean's presser I found him a little arrogant, defensive and stubborn.  I can see why things went bad between him and Murray.  

Probably to some extent but I get the feeling Murray and Melnyk gave a lot of unsolicited advice to MacLean which  I don't think he should take right or wrong.  Why hire a coach if you're going to tell him how to do his job?

I think MacLean tried to push this team(maybe too hard or in the wrong way) to the next level of competition and they folded like a cheap lawn chair.

It seems the Sens are a country club, where star players are to be coddled and not singled out or held accountable to any significant degree and having fun and cronyism take precedence over developing a winning culture.

I have no idea what the team management is thinking at all.

Hoags wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:After listening to MacLean's presser I found him a little arrogant, defensive and stubborn.  I can see why things went bad between him and Murray.  

Probably to some extent but I get the feeling Murray and Melnyk gave a lot of unsolicited advice to MacLean which  I don't think he should take right or wrong.  Why hire a coach if you're going to tell him how to do his job?

I think MacLean tried to push this team(maybe too hard or in the wrong way) to the next level of competition and they folded like a cheap lawn chair.

It seems the Sens are a country club, where star players are to be coddled and not singled out or held accountable to any significant degree and having fun and cronyism take precedence over developing a winning culture.

I have no idea what the team management is thinking at all.

From his presser, I get the sense that BM thinks that those are the expectations of 'today's athlete' -- and that he's not particularly fond of that.

In all honesty, you do have to be pretty careful dealing with the big egos of professional athletes.  Simply trying to pound them into submission is something Torts would do and it is not the recipe for long-term success.  P-Mac obviously didn't take it to that extreme, but maybe there was a bunch of behind the scenes stuff we weren't privy to. 

Whatever...we'll likely find out (again) pretty soon that coaching wasn't the real issue.

If coddling helps the Sens win games and eventually a cup they can give them blow jobs for all I care.

tim1_2 wrote:In all honesty, you do have to be pretty careful dealing with the big egos of professional athletes.  Simply trying to pound them into submission is something Torts would do and it is not the recipe for long-term success.  P-Mac obviously didn't take it to that extreme, but maybe there was a bunch of behind the scenes stuff we weren't privy to. 

Whatever...we'll likely find out (again) pretty soon that coaching wasn't the real issue.

From what I've seen on the ice, coaching was at least a big part of the issue. It amazes me how these guys actually play the system they're told to play in spite of their egos and whatnot. It'll be easy enough to spot the difference and I'm anxious to see the 1st 2 games.

Well guys are now playing for their lives and in some cases careers now, that and that alone should be enough to see an on ice improvement.

NEELY wrote:Sounds like the Sens are actively trying to get an arena built at Lebreton... amazing if true.  If they do they better make sure it's an 18,000 seat arena where tickets are somewhat scarce and demand is high.  They need to make it a place people want to be vs a place where the Sens play and there are always tickets available.  Hopefully this can get done within the next decade which I think is a fair timeline.

Yes they are, with approx 2000-3000 parkings spots, hotel and thousands of square feet of retail as well.

Hobiesens wrote:

NEELY wrote:Sounds like the Sens are actively trying to get an arena built at Lebreton... amazing if true.  If they do they better make sure it's an 18,000 seat arena where tickets are somewhat scarce and demand is high.  They need to make it a place people want to be vs a place where the Sens play and there are always tickets available.  Hopefully this can get done within the next decade which I think is a fair timeline.

Yes they are, with approx 2000-3000 parkings spots, hotel and thousands of square feet of retail as well.

How is this good for the Senators? This kind of development opportunity is only reserved for the "Jeff Hunt Group."

NEELY wrote:Sounds like the Sens are actively trying to get an arena built at Lebreton... amazing if true.  If they do they better make sure it's an 18,000 seat arena where tickets are somewhat scarce and demand is high.  They need to make it a place people want to be vs a place where the Sens play and there are always tickets available.  Hopefully this can get done within the next decade which I think is a fair timeline.

They still have to win the bid and it sounds like there are a lot of proposals. The city and the NCC haven't exactly been accommodating in the past.

Although it sounds the Sens have been contact by other companies wanting to team up, similar to Melnyk's casino proposal so it's not just the Sens bidding for an arena.

It makes so much sense with LRT coming in a few years that they'll probably do something stupid instead.

I'm excited for the Dave Cameron era and the new arena

Ev wrote:I'm excited for the Dave Cameron era and the new arena

BUCKLE UP!!!

NEELY wrote:If coddling helps the Sens win games and eventually a cup they can give them blow jobs for all I care.

This has promise.

Lehner off IR. Hammond back to Bingo.

more to come

SeawaySensFan wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:In all honesty, you do have to be pretty careful dealing with the big egos of professional athletes.  Simply trying to pound them into submission is something Torts would do and it is not the recipe for long-term success.  P-Mac obviously didn't take it to that extreme, but maybe there was a bunch of behind the scenes stuff we weren't privy to. 

Whatever...we'll likely find out (again) pretty soon that coaching wasn't the real issue.

From what I've seen on the ice, coaching was at least a big part of the issue. It amazes me how these guys actually play the system they're told to play in spite of their egos and whatnot. It'll be easy enough to spot the difference and I'm anxious to see the 1st 2 games.

MacLean uses quite a bit of sarcasm and when you're winning it's addressed at the media, analysts, refs, Therrien, player #61. When you're losing, it switches to in-house targets. MacLean didn't change, really, but expectations did, and being a .500 team was no-longer a "Wow, we just might make the playoffs!'

Missing 1/3 of your shot attempts (shooting wide, high, right at someone's shinguards or stick) has nothing to do with coaching. Phillips overplaying an imaginary 2-on-1 is not on coaching (but having him out there with Karlsson is). The team was making a lot of mistakes that are not coachable. It's not all on MacLean.

Milan Michalek not at practice. Trade imminent?

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