Jason Spezza - Trade Discussion

Fulcrum wrote:as was said earlier......We have too many complimentary players already....some are even over hyped at complimentary IMO. If they trade a guy like Spezza, its going to be for something can turn into more than a second liner in the future.

St Louis is ready to win now no doubt, and would like a more proven talent than another young guy in the line up, but I just don't see them wanting Spezza, can't see how he would fit their game...

I think you saw the blues trade the only two they deemed expendable at the deadline.

But Ott may be had.......in a package of course

St.Louis' "game" hasn't got them passed the 2nd round so their "game" may need to change if they want to compete with the teams like LA and Chicago.  St.Louis doesn't have enough top end talent to win and that was just proven.

St.Louis is ready to win nothing lol.

SpezDispenser wrote:You're not getting shattenkirk either.

I know most of you don't like Spezza.. but they are trading him for a couple of plugs either..

It should cost a top 4 D or a top 6 forward ++.

IF there is more than 1 team inquiring -- then you could get that price..

sandysensfan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:You're not getting shattenkirk either.

I know most of you don't like Spezza.. but they are trading him for a couple of plugs either..

It should cost a top 4 D or a top 6 forward ++.  

IF there is more than 1 team inquiring -- then you could get that price..

I don't see any reason in the world for St.Louis to send over a 25 year old D-man who's already played almost 300 games and is a perennial 40+ point player.

St.Louis has much bigger fish to fry than getting Jason Spezza, although it makes sense I guess. But giving up a guy like that is not in the cards IMO. Neither is Oshie, Backes, Tarasenko, Schwartz, Steen, Bouwmeester, Pietrangelo. None of the 'core' of their team are moving out for anyone, let alone Jason Spezza.

Now...Berglund is a different story, he'd be collateral damage for this kind of deal, but he's been really poor in the playoffs so far - although I think he's still battling an injury. Still, big body, goes to the net hard, has offense in him, plays a 200 foot game, Swedish. Has all the markings of someone we could acquire and move forward with.

Maybe you try to pry Rattie or Jaskin away as the prospect, maybe you try to get Sabotka - who's a pain in the arse to play against and one of the top faceoff guys in the league + a 1st rounder at some point soon, but try to get Oshie or Shattenkirk and you'll be laughed at IMO.

sandysensfan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:You're not getting shattenkirk either.

I know most of you don't like Spezza.. but they are trading him for a couple of plugs either..

It should cost a top 4 D or a top 6 forward ++.  

IF there is more than 1 team inquiring -- then you could get that price..

True. ppl really undervalue spezza on here like he's worth nothing. But if you look at it from a worst case scenario, you maybe get a package that is similar to what bobby ryan netted the ducks.

Michallica wrote:

sandysensfan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:You're not getting shattenkirk either.

I know most of you don't like Spezza.. but they are trading him for a couple of plugs either..

It should cost a top 4 D or a top 6 forward ++.  

IF there is more than 1 team inquiring -- then you could get that price..

True.  ppl really undervalue spezza on here like he's worth nothing.  But if you look at it from a worst case scenario, you maybe get a package that is similar to what bobby ryan netted the ducks.  

One problem is that Spezza is pretty much a rental unless he agrees to an extension - and rentals never fetch as much as guys with multiple years.

I'd love to have Shattenkirk...damn...

SpezDispenser wrote:

sandysensfan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:You're not getting shattenkirk either.

I know most of you don't like Spezza.. but they are trading him for a couple of plugs either..

It should cost a top 4 D or a top 6 forward ++.  

IF there is more than 1 team inquiring -- then you could get that price..

I don't see any reason in the world for St.Louis to send over a 25 year old D-man who's already played almost 300 games and is a perennial 40+ point player.  

St.Louis has much bigger fish to fry than getting Jason Spezza, although it makes sense I guess.  But giving up a guy like that is not in the cards IMO.  Neither is Oshie, Backes, Tarasenko, Schwartz, Steen, Bouwmeester, Pietrangelo.  None of the 'core' of their team are moving out for anyone, let alone Jason Spezza.

Now...Berglund is a different story, he'd be collateral damage for this kind of deal, but he's been really poor in the playoffs so far - although I think he's still battling an injury.  Still, big body, goes to the net hard, has offense in him, plays a 200 foot game, Swedish.  Has all the markings of someone we could acquire and move forward with.

Maybe you try to pry Rattie or Jaskin away as the prospect, maybe you try to get Sabotka - who's a pain in the arse to play against and one of the top faceoff guys in the league + a 1st rounder at some point soon, but try to get Oshie or Shattenkirk and you'll be laughed at IMO.

Of course Oshie is untouchable and probably Shattenkirk as well. What about Roman Polak? If Sobotka may be possible.. why wouldn't Schwartz? Both are young.. But there is no way a top 4 D AND a top 6 forward are coming in the trade. One of them should be included with a prospect and a draft pick.. but we know some of they key players like Backes, Steen, etc are untouchable...

Spezza probably would go in to replace Derek Roy. I think Spezza is the better player of the two... but it all depends on the return..

Oh, he's miles better than Roy. And no, no chance you're getting Schwartz. He and Tarasenko are the golden boys in St.Louis, they won't move them.

Shattenkirk...might be a better possibility because of all the puck movers the Blues have, but I find that hard to believe too.

SpezDispenser wrote:Oh, he's miles better than Roy.  And no, no chance you're getting Schwartz.  He and Tarasenko are the golden boys in St.Louis, they won't move them.

Shattenkirk...might be a better possibility because of all the puck movers the Blues have, but I find that hard to believe too.

So of any trade they do with any team.. which would be a better benefit for the Sens. A top 4 D to play with Karlsson or a top 6 player?

No one's saying the obvious: that Ottawa could easily become 'one of those teams' that has all this heart and grit...and just needs a Jason Spezza to get to the next level, but we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

sandysensfan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Oh, he's miles better than Roy.  And no, no chance you're getting Schwartz.  He and Tarasenko are the golden boys in St.Louis, they won't move them.

Shattenkirk...might be a better possibility because of all the puck movers the Blues have, but I find that hard to believe too.

So of any trade they do with any team.. which would be a better benefit for the Sens.  A top 4 D to play with Karlsson or a top 6 player?

I'd go for the young, top 6 player who can slot right in with Zibanejad and Ryan and cause some damage.  Failing getting that player, I'd get a 3rd liner who can provide offense while playing a sound game.

So Berglund, Cogliano, Hanzal (not happening), Boedkker.  Someone like that.

EDIT: But boy, would I ever love to have Shattenkirk.

SpezDispenser wrote:

sandysensfan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Oh, he's miles better than Roy.  And no, no chance you're getting Schwartz.  He and Tarasenko are the golden boys in St.Louis, they won't move them.

Shattenkirk...might be a better possibility because of all the puck movers the Blues have, but I find that hard to believe too.

So of any trade they do with any team.. which would be a better benefit for the Sens.  A top 4 D to play with Karlsson or a top 6 player?

I'd go for the young, top 6 player who can slot right in with Zibanejad and Ryan and cause some damage.  Failing getting that player, I'd get a 3rd liner who can provide offense while playing a sound game.

So Berglund, Cogliano, Hanzal (not happening), Boedkker.  Someone like that.

EDIT: But boy, would I ever love to have Shattenkirk.

Would a one for one swap Spezza for Shattenkirk go?

sandysensfan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

sandysensfan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Oh, he's miles better than Roy.  And no, no chance you're getting Schwartz.  He and Tarasenko are the golden boys in St.Louis, they won't move them.

Shattenkirk...might be a better possibility because of all the puck movers the Blues have, but I find that hard to believe too.

So of any trade they do with any team.. which would be a better benefit for the Sens.  A top 4 D to play with Karlsson or a top 6 player?

I'd go for the young, top 6 player who can slot right in with Zibanejad and Ryan and cause some damage.  Failing getting that player, I'd get a 3rd liner who can provide offense while playing a sound game.

So Berglund, Cogliano, Hanzal (not happening), Boedkker.  Someone like that.

EDIT: But boy, would I ever love to have Shattenkirk.

Would a one for one swap Spezza for Shattenkirk go?

Maybe...hard to say. Spezza would have to extend first IMO.

In the grand scheme of things, no one knows what will happen. I just have a hard time seeing St.Louis part with Shattenkirk. But who knows....we'll see what Murray has up his sleeve.

What makes St. Louis an even more interesting partner is the fact that the only goalie they have signed next year is Jake Allen. Even then he's an RFA at the end of next season. Ryan Miller's wife lives in Los Angeles so I would not be shocked to see San Jose or Anaheim take a run at him.

I wonder if they'd be interested in a package deal for Spezza and Anderson? Wonder what the return could be?

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:What makes St. Louis an even more interesting partner is the fact that the only goalie they have signed next year is Jake Allen. Even then he's an RFA at the end of next season. Ryan Miller's wife lives in Los Angeles so I would not be shocked to see San Jose or Anaheim take a run at him.

I wonder if they'd be interested in a package deal for Spezza and Anderson? Wonder what the return could be?

If the Sharks lose I could for sure see them unloading Neimi to another team with only 1 year left on his deal and making Miller an offer, that's a move that makes a ton of sense and it probably won't take a boat load of cash to sign him either. 

Will the Blues make a deal for both Spezza and Anderson?  Tough to say but there's a ton of value there for the Blues and those do seem to be 2 pieces that could help them in terms of what they are missing.

Niemi and Miller are pretty much the same animal, no point there.

Are they? Niemi has played on stacked teams his whole career. Miller not so much. Like I said, wife is in LA so it makes more and more sense.