GDT: - New York Islanders @ Ottawa, 7:30PM SNET/TSN1200

NEELY wrote:

Ev wrote:It can be if you purge Neil.

Spezza, whatever, we know at the end of the day he will produce points at least. He is what he is. Neil does nothing right now.

Neil would be perfect on Philly lol

Spezza is a huge reason why the Sens are getting domianted 5 on 5... if not the biggest.  He's the "#1 center" and is losing every puck battle and race.  His production isn't going to increase from here on out and truth be told, the Sens were better last year without him.

That's all nice and dandy, but when your goalie is stopping 95 pucks out of every 100 you tend to win. They didn't win last year because Turris stepped in to replace Spezza. If you recall the dialog here it was all about how Turris is struggling as the 1LC, how he's not ready, may never be ready. Fact is the 2n line center plays against weaker opposition and that 2nd line -- the only one PMac kept intact -- is benefiting huge from that.

Sit Spezza out or play his line against the 2nd best of the other team and then we will see if Turris can continue to produce.

Spezza had a really bad game, looked like he was sulking out there. A bit disgraceful, IMO. But at the same time I am really pissed off at PMac for making these lines up.

That said, Condra and MacArthur got their 1st, Karlsson got 2 points, Lehner got them 1 at least (more than Andy did last few games), Cowen played better, Gryba as well.

Now can we drop this stupid experiment and get back to the real lines and pairings?

Are you really telling me that Turris DIDN'T play against the Isles top line? Spezza is already the second line C now.

OK, not doing any more GDTs, PGDTs until they string together 3 wins.

53 saves and we lose? Didn't see the game but that's alarming. We are just too slow, it's not a secret.

Saying Turris didn't do the job last year is a crock. Did he produce at a PPG clip or like an all-star? No, he didn't. He still shut down top line after top line in a condensed season and his team won. This year he is seeing the top lines and he, Ryan, and macArthur have been fantastic. Smith is another player that's been good basically every single night.

As for real line pairings... who are you going to put with Spezza? Michalek and.......................................... take your pick. I'm sick of the "Spezza needs someone to play with" garbage. It's been said for years and nothing has worked, perhaps it's Spezza?

Ev wrote:Are you really telling me that Turris DIDN'T play against the Isles top line? Spezza is already the second line C now.

You and I may need to stick together for a bit.

The Kyle Turris deal did wonders for the team right after it happened. Need a similar deal. Bring in Wayne Simmonds, please.

Also, anyone who wants to use the 29 points in the season last year as proof that isn't enough for a #1 center, Bergeron had 32 and that team made it to the finals with depth.

Turris is the #1 center in Ottawa.

Ev wrote:The Kyle Turris deal did wonders for the team right after it happened. Need a similar deal. Bring in Wayne Simmonds, please.

Yup. Perfect player to bring in but it would take probably Greening and Wiercioch... then bring Boroweicki up. Simmonds would be a big piece for the Sens for the next 5 plus years.

Even Voracek would be good, really speedy.

Ev wrote:Even Voracek would be good, really speedy.

Won't be traded but Simmonds might. They will ask for D, Wiercioch is the best trade piece they have in terms of what would realistically go the other way.

I don't think Greening and Wiercioch for Simmonds and Gufstason is that far off.

I'd take Coburn or Schenn...Methot-Karlsson, Cowen-Schenn, Phillips-Gryba.

Greening and Wiercioch for Schenn and Simmonds

Ev wrote:I'd take Coburn or Schenn...Methot-Karlsson, Cowen-Schenn, Phillips-Gryba.

Greening and Wiercioch for Schenn and Simmonds

That's heavy in favour of the Sens. Greening and Wiercioch for Simmonds is pretty close to equal value. Borowiecki would be called up and the problems in Ottawa would still be the same.

I just want Luke Schenn...guy is a menace on the back-end. Not the best player but not paid like one either

We'll throw in a prospect or Michalek.

I like Schenn, always have. Would be a good fit in Ottawa. That said, lets be realistic, he's not going anywhere. Simmonds is a likely guy to be moved and maybe another D man.

I don't think it's unrealistic to suggest anyone on the Flyers is on the table right now, except maybe their Captain. Their team is horrible.

Matthias would also be a nice add. If you can move Anderson for Matthias and Bjudstad would be something I would like to see as well.

Ev wrote:Are you really telling me that Turris DIDN'T play against the Isles top line? Spezza is already the second line C now.

Third, maybe. Neil isn't a 1st liner, never has been, not even close. Spezza has, in the past, shown that type of skill.