Pre-Season Game 4 - Ottawa @ Toronto - Sept 24

Are we seriously gonna waive DaCosta and keep Kassian? Sad story

SpezDispenser wrote:14 forwards includes everyone in question - except Pageau - he goes down.  That is the cold hard look of keeping the waiver eligible players.  Or Gryba.

Are you out of your mind? Get out of that body, Heisenberg

What we should do is make a package for another Bobby Ryan type trade

LeKing wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:14 forwards includes everyone in question - except Pageau - he goes down.  That is the cold hard look of keeping the waiver eligible players.  Or Gryba.

Are you out of your mind? Get out of that body, Heisenberg

What we should do is make a package for another Bobby Ryan type trade

There's no way that can happen with all that kids done. We'll lose one of Da Costa or Hoffman I'm sure.

Still...an option is there - depending on how strongly they feel.

There is no way we are losing DaCosta with the way he's playing. We wanted 3 scoring lines? We got it. Send whoever the Diddle was on the 3rd line before down to the 4th and give DaCosta a top 9 scoring role.

Ryan - Spezz - Milo
mcA - Turris - Conacher
Pageau - Zib - Greening
Condra - Smith - Neil
DaCosta

The rest in Bingo or waived, whatever

Edmonton is in great need of a center. A bit of grit wouldn't hurt, either. What about DaCosta and JOB for their 1st? They may think they are playoffs bound so their pick won't be very high (it will be, but they can think whatever they want).

Taking Kassian over Da Costa at this point will be criminal and someone would get charged. There is no way the Sens don't keep Da Costa around at this point. What he has you can't teach, everything else you can.

wprager wrote:Edmonton is in great need of a center.  A bit of grit wouldn't hurt, either.  What about DaCosta and JOB for their 1st?  They may think they are playoffs bound so their pick won't be very high (it will be, but they can think whatever they want).  

Again, why are you giving up Da Costa when you have guys like Kassian, JOB, and to a lesser extent Michalek who have no long term future in Ottawa? There are a lot of ways you can go here but trading or especially waiving Da Costa isn't one of them. Don't think they waive Hoffman either.

LeKing wrote:There is no way we are losing DaCosta with the way he's playing. We wanted 3 scoring lines? We got it. Send whoever the Diddle was on the 3rd line before down to the 4th and give DaCosta a top 9 scoring role.

Ryan - Spezz - Milo
mcA - Turris - Conacher
Pageau - Zib - Greening
Condra - Smith - Neil
DaCosta

The rest in Bingo or waived, whatever

Lets try not to get too excited over pre-season excellence. I seem to remember a few players excelling in pre-season and being a dud in the regular season. Biggest example I can think of is Bochenski.

SpezDispenser wrote:I would imagine Murray's trying to trade da costa as we speak for a longer term prospect who is waiver eligible.

Murray said himself that he's trying to make a trade, and apparently there were lots of scouts in attendance last night. We won't get full value for whoever we trade, but something is better than losing a guy on waivers.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:

LeKing wrote:There is no way we are losing DaCosta with the way he's playing. We wanted 3 scoring lines? We got it. Send whoever the Diddle was on the 3rd line before down to the 4th and give DaCosta a top 9 scoring role.

Ryan - Spezz - Milo
mcA - Turris - Conacher
Pageau - Zib - Greening
Condra - Smith - Neil
DaCosta

The rest in Bingo or waived, whatever

Lets try not to get too excited over pre-season excellence.  I seem to remember a few players excelling in pre-season and being a dud in the regular season.  Biggest example I can think of is Bochenski.

Everytime someone has a good pre-season we bring up that guy... why? Da Costa has already shown at the NHL level in various stints that he is an NHL level talent who has a pretty decent future. He's more of a project off the ice for the simple fact he had no professional habits when the Sens sign him, just raw skill and tons of it.

tim1_2 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:I would imagine Murray's trying to trade da costa as we speak for a longer term prospect who is waiver eligible.  

Murray said himself that he's trying to make a trade, and apparently there were lots of scouts in attendance last night.  We won't get full value for whoever we trade, but something is better than losing a guy on waivers.

No way they get fair value for any of those guys but I would assume O'Brien is the guy they are trying to ship off... not sure who else they would want to part with at the cost of giving up depth.

NEELY wrote:

wprager wrote:Edmonton is in great need of a center.  A bit of grit wouldn't hurt, either.  What about DaCosta and JOB for their 1st?  They may think they are playoffs bound so their pick won't be very high (it will be, but they can think whatever they want).  

Again, why are you giving up Da Costa when you have guys like Kassian, JOB, and to a lesser extent Michalek who have no long term future in Ottawa?  There are a lot of ways you can go here but trading or especially waiving Da Costa isn't one of them.   Don't think they waive Hoffman either.

For the very simple reason that DaCosta -- skill and all -- has no room as a center in the top 9 (Spezza, Turris, Zibanejad, Pageau are all ahead of him) and, so far, has not shown that he can play wing (for that matter, hasn't really shown he can play center, either. 2 points in 9 NHL games is the epitome of "meh", and 74 points in 103 career AHL games isn't exactly tearing it up, either. I like his FO percentage but the number is small and the competition likely very weak -- impossible to tell.

because he has the head of a baby

Number Twenty Nine wrote:because he has the head of a baby

He does indeed have a very odd head.

They are going to have to turn someone into a winger and again, my guess is Da Costa. He has all the makings of a Mike Comrie type player.

People use his past season or two as reasons against keeping him like you just did. Fact is he was a very young player coming out of college, been in NA for a total of maybe 3 years, no professional experience, and still very immature like most 20-22 year olds are. They told him what he needed to do to get to the next level and he seems to have done it thus far... he's trending upward which is what you want in a prospect.

Da Costa is a guy that might not really take off as a top 6 guy until he is 25, maybe 26. It's a process for a guy like him because of the reasons listed before and he's undersized. They have put 4, 5 years into Hoffman and only 2 into Da Costa, they didn't give up on Hoffman and they won't on Da Costa.

NEELY wrote:They are going to have to turn someone into a winger and again, my guess is Da Costa.  He has all the makings of a Mike Comrie type player.

People use his past season or two as reasons against keeping him like you just did.  Fact is he was a very young player coming out of college, been in NA for a total of maybe 3 years, no professional experience, and still very immature like most 20-22 year olds are.  They told him what he needed to do to get to the next level and he seems to have done it thus far... he's trending upward which is what you want in a prospect.

Da Costa is a guy that might not really take off as a top 6 guy until he is 25, maybe 26.  It's a process for a guy like him because of the reasons listed before and he's undersized.  They have put 4, 5 years into Hoffman and only 2 into Da Costa, they didn't give up on Hoffman and they won't on Da Costa.

I assume you were replying to me. I'm not using stats to say we should get rid of him, just saying he hasn't shown anything yet that counts. And he hasn't. He hasn't even had pre-season success. He is a small player and we have Pageau and Conacher and Hoffman all under 6'. We don't have room for a "Comrie". He needs *something* to bring to the table and skill alone isn't it.

Anyway, not saying they need to give up on anyone, but he needs to clear waivers to be sent down, and the Oilers would grab him in a second. But how do we make room to keep him?

Again, no idea what way they go here on out.

NEELY wrote:They are going to have to turn someone into a winger and again, my guess is Da Costa.  He has all the makings of a Mike Comrie type player.

People use his past season or two as reasons against keeping him like you just did.  Fact is he was a very young player coming out of college, been in NA for a total of maybe 3 years, no professional experience, and still very immature like most 20-22 year olds are.  They told him what he needed to do to get to the next level and he seems to have done it thus far... he's trending upward which is what you want in a prospect.

Da Costa is a guy that might not really take off as a top 6 guy until he is 25, maybe 26.  It's a process for a guy like him because of the reasons listed before and he's undersized.  They have put 4, 5 years into Hoffman and only 2 into Da Costa, they didn't give up on Hoffman and they won't on Da Costa.

Yeah but Hoffman always had waiver exemption so it was easy to put him in Bingo. This time around it's different for both him and Da Costa. You can't just keep a guy up and play him every now and then just because he might be claimed on waivers. If he's not on the Sens in an everydays role then try to move him, if not, oh well he's waived and might be claimed.