NHL Free Agent Frenzy 2013 - Melnyk's Budget Edition

Hoags wrote:

Michallica wrote:
He's also subtly (or not so subtly) telling the city that you should build a casino on his land through that message.  Just raise the damn ticket price already

Of course he is, he's a businessman, he didn't buy the Sens to lose money.

If he is making money on the Sens he'd make more money with a casino and if him and the team are struggling well then they really do need it.

I think they can only raise the prices so much, they haven't even sold out all their season tickets last I heard.

So basically everyone against melnyk's penny pinching should be supporting his campaign for the casino in kanata.

tim1_2 wrote:

Ev wrote:I hope the team moves so I can move with them.

I hope you leave too, so you can then realize that Ottawa is actually a pretty sweet city to live in, all things considered.  The grass is NOT greener.

After having grown up in ottawa and every time I come back to visit, I beg to differ. Maybe ottawa isn't Sudbury or Winnipeg but it sure ain't a bustling metropolis either. I don't think I'll ever be able to live in ottawa again. It's just lacking in being able to attract the kind of things I've come to expect from life in the big city. But don't get me wrong, I'll always love my sens and it pains me great to not be able to attend more games.

SeawaySensFan wrote:
Like I said there is NO reason you can't have both.

Why can't they have both? Or why can't they even have an open bidding process to consider all options? It would be additional jobs and money to the city so it's not like there's no benefit.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

NEELY wrote:Hope the casino is built at RCR, a lot of peoples lively hoods are at stake while basically nothing is at stake if the casino isn't built right beside CTC.  So sick of Melnyk and if he wants to use the Sens as leverage he can go right ahead, city won't budge because the Sens are not going anywhere.

Like I said there is NO reason you can't have both.

Watch the Greenbergs come in and ask for, and get one, at Landsdowne after the City says no to Gene.

3 casino's within 1 city? Will never happen. Fact is Ottawa wants the revenue that is going over to Quebec which I 100% agree with, no reason Quebec should be taking Ontario/Ottawa's cash. . On top of all that its much more central in regards to the entire city and Kanata is just about the worst choice for a Casino and most people would be just as pissed if there was one built in Orleans than Kanata. Only people who want it built in Kanata are the people in that area and Sens fans that just want to make sure Melnyk has money. I'll be damned if I ever support a billionaire (or used to be) making more money than he already has because he feels he's entitled to it.

Hoags wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:
No one is suggesting charging an arm and a leg.  But nearly 20 bucks less than the league average is silly.

http://www.fancostexperience.com/pages/fcx/blog_pdfs/entry0000020_pdf001.pdf

But maybe that is what the market can bear? I doubt they are keeping ticket prices where they are at because they are being charitable.

If they could charge more and still sell out they would do it.

I really can't see how that's possible. I can't see how you can justify being 13 bucks below the Florida Panthers average ticket price in a city that wants to claim to be "Hockey Country". Pretty pathetic, actually.

NEELY wrote:
3 casino's within 1 city?  Will never happen.  Fact is Ottawa wants the revenue that is going over to Quebec which I 100% agree with, no reason Quebec should be taking Ontario/Ottawa's cash.  .  On top of all that its much more central in regards to the entire city and Kanata is just about the worst choice for a Casino and most people would be just as pissed if there was one built in Orleans than Kanata.  Only people who want it built in Kanata are the people in that area and Sens fans that just want to make sure Melnyk has money.  I'll be damned if I ever support a billionaire (or used to be) making more money than he already has because he feels he's entitled to it.

RCR is in the middle of nowhere the same way Kanata is. It's a bad place for a casino and it's a bad place for a hockey arena as well.

I don't see how the Senators would be sustainable in the long term without developing something around the CTC. That was the plan since Day 1 and the city has shot down everything so far even though they are the ones who forced the team to put it there. Something has to give.

Nobody needs to support Melnyk making more money, but no one has the right telling him to spend millions more to buy the city and team a Stanley Cup either.

Raise the prices. Fans will go to games. If not, then the city does not deserve the team.

Can Melnyk build a waterpark if he wanted to?

LeKing wrote:Raise the prices. Fans will go to games. If not, then the city does not deserve the team.

Not sure if we want to know the answer to that one, if they could charge more for tickets they would.

If the arena was downtown and easier to get to I am sure they could.

Hoags wrote:

LeKing wrote:Raise the prices. Fans will go to games. If not, then the city does not deserve the team.

Not sure if we want to know the answer to that one, if they could charge more for tickets they would.

If the arena was downtown and easier to get to I am sure they could.

The Cussing arena should have never been in Kanata and that's the city's fault.
I don't blame Melnyk one bit, he's trying to expand the CTC because the city put his team in the middle of the jungle.

Hoags wrote:

NEELY wrote:
3 casino's within 1 city?  Will never happen.  Fact is Ottawa wants the revenue that is going over to Quebec which I 100% agree with, no reason Quebec should be taking Ontario/Ottawa's cash.  .  On top of all that its much more central in regards to the entire city and Kanata is just about the worst choice for a Casino and most people would be just as pissed if there was one built in Orleans than Kanata.  Only people who want it built in Kanata are the people in that area and Sens fans that just want to make sure Melnyk has money.  I'll be damned if I ever support a billionaire (or used to be) making more money than he already has because he feels he's entitled to it.

RCR is in the middle of nowhere the same way Kanata is.  It's a bad place for a casino and it's a bad place for a hockey arena as well.

I don't see how the Senators would be sustainable in the long term without developing something around the CTC.  That was the plan since Day 1 and the city has shot down everything so far even though they are the ones who forced the team to put it there.  Something has to give.

Nobody needs to support Melnyk making more money, but no one has the right telling him to spend millions more to buy the city and team a Stanley Cup either.

Have you been around RCR lately? Because it sure isn't built in the middle of no where now and fact is that's where Ottawa is being built now, in the South End of the city. Even if you want to dispute that it's still more central as is than Kanata or Orleans and you can't dispute that. Take people 20 mins who live in the downtown core, 20 mins from Orleans, and 20 mins from Kanata.

LeKing wrote:
The Cussing arena should have never been in Kanata and that's the city's fault.
I don't blame Melnyk one bit, he's trying to expand the CTC because the city put his team in the middle of the jungle.

That's exactly right, the city forced the team to put the arena and then blocks any attempt to build anything to generate more revenue in the area.

I think they are reaching the limits of how much money they can bring it given where the arena is and how much they can charge for tickets. There is only so much you can do in the current market.

I would also be more sympathetic to Melnyk if he actually lived in the damned city but he doesn't. He could care less about the the greater good of the city and the fact he wants to pull or is at least threatening to a Friends of Landsdown on the city is disgusting in itself. Hope he throws away more money trying to fight it, maybe he will split the bill with his wife too.

LeKing wrote:

Hoags wrote:

LeKing wrote:Raise the prices. Fans will go to games. If not, then the city does not deserve the team.

Not sure if we want to know the answer to that one, if they could charge more for tickets they would.

If the arena was downtown and easier to get to I am sure they could.

The Cussing arena should have never been in Kanata and that's the city's fault.
I don't blame Melnyk one bit, he's trying to expand the CTC because the city put his team in the middle of the jungle.

Was the arena built there before Melnyk bought it? Yes it was. Boo hoo just like the people who cry in the Glebe because they have a stadium there even though they bought their home knowing it was.

 

NEELY wrote:
Was the arena built there before Melnyk bought it?  Yes it was.  Boo hoo just like the people who cry in the Glebe because they have a stadium there even though they bought their home knowing it was.  

Yes it was already there and he bought it all as an investment hoping to develop it into something that makes more money. And now he is using the team as leverage so what? He's a rich bunghole that's what they do.

What makes you think another owner would do anything else but keep the team near the salary floor if that's the only way to profit from the investment of owning the Sens?

NEELY wrote:

Hoags wrote:

NEELY wrote:
3 casino's within 1 city?  Will never happen.  Fact is Ottawa wants the revenue that is going over to Quebec which I 100% agree with, no reason Quebec should be taking Ontario/Ottawa's cash.  .  On top of all that its much more central in regards to the entire city and Kanata is just about the worst choice for a Casino and most people would be just as pissed if there was one built in Orleans than Kanata.  Only people who want it built in Kanata are the people in that area and Sens fans that just want to make sure Melnyk has money.  I'll be damned if I ever support a billionaire (or used to be) making more money than he already has because he feels he's entitled to it.

RCR is in the middle of nowhere the same way Kanata is.  It's a bad place for a casino and it's a bad place for a hockey arena as well.

I don't see how the Senators would be sustainable in the long term without developing something around the CTC.  That was the plan since Day 1 and the city has shot down everything so far even though they are the ones who forced the team to put it there.  Something has to give.

Nobody needs to support Melnyk making more money, but no one has the right telling him to spend millions more to buy the city and team a Stanley Cup either.

Have you been around RCR lately?  Because it sure isn't built in the middle of no where now and fact is that's where Ottawa is being built now, in the South End of the city.  Even if you want to dispute that it's still more central as is than Kanata or Orleans and you can't dispute that.  Take people 20 mins who live in the downtown core, 20 mins from Orleans, and 20 mins from Kanata.

Same goes for South of the Ultramar on Huntmar. Used to be fields now being filled with rows and rows of houses. Beyond that, any speck of green between Farrhaven and Kemptville will be built up in no time. Plenty of growth there and lots of potential Casino customers.

Meanwhile, those who are closer to RCR can go there TOO. Easy as pie.

Anyone who works downtown knows that it's a nightmare to get in and out of. Same goes for events at the Civic Centre, worse than the Scoreltiradium Centre. The real issue is that there should be trains to the 'burbs, including Kanata, like a real City.

By the way,

SeawaySensFan wrote:

NEELY wrote:

Hoags wrote:

NEELY wrote:
3 casino's within 1 city?  Will never happen.  Fact is Ottawa wants the revenue that is going over to Quebec which I 100% agree with, no reason Quebec should be taking Ontario/Ottawa's cash.  .  On top of all that its much more central in regards to the entire city and Kanata is just about the worst choice for a Casino and most people would be just as pissed if there was one built in Orleans than Kanata.  Only people who want it built in Kanata are the people in that area and Sens fans that just want to make sure Melnyk has money.  I'll be damned if I ever support a billionaire (or used to be) making more money than he already has because he feels he's entitled to it.

RCR is in the middle of nowhere the same way Kanata is.  It's a bad place for a casino and it's a bad place for a hockey arena as well.

I don't see how the Senators would be sustainable in the long term without developing something around the CTC.  That was the plan since Day 1 and the city has shot down everything so far even though they are the ones who forced the team to put it there.  Something has to give.

Nobody needs to support Melnyk making more money, but no one has the right telling him to spend millions more to buy the city and team a Stanley Cup either.

Have you been around RCR lately?  Because it sure isn't built in the middle of no where now and fact is that's where Ottawa is being built now, in the South End of the city.  Even if you want to dispute that it's still more central as is than Kanata or Orleans and you can't dispute that.  Take people 20 mins who live in the downtown core, 20 mins from Orleans, and 20 mins from Kanata.

Same goes for South of the Ultramar on Huntmar. Used to be fields now being filled with rows and rows of houses. Beyond that, any speck of green between Farrhaven and Kemptville will be built up in no time. Plenty of growth there and lots of potential Casino customers.

Meanwhile, those who are closer to RCR can go there TOO. Easy as pie.

Anyone who works downtown knows that it's a nightmare to get in and out of. Same goes for events at the Civic Centre, worse than the Scoreltiradium Centre. The real issue is that there should be trains to the 'burbs, including Kanata, like a real City.

By the way,

100% agree with that one.