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wprager wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

spader wrote:

wprager wrote:Are you serious?  Wiercioch's QO is $827K; Cowen made more than your "offer" on his ELC.

I'm sure he isn't serious. Cowen will get $2M+ without question.

I am dead serious.  Weircioch has played a grand total of 50 NHL games and has no arbitration rights.  Cowen has a whopping 90 NHL games and 3 AHL games and another 27 combined playoff games, which means he has a total of 120 professional games and people want to pay him 3.5M coming off his second major injury.  I like the 2 guys, but people here act like John Ferguson JR.  It's ridiculous.  Let the system work for you, no arb rights and nothing proving as a pro yet earns you about 10% raise in my books.  Let them cash in on their 3rd contracts.

If you want to turn this into an argument between $3.5M or anything approaching Hamonic, and $2.5M, then fine, let's do that, but you'll find that most of us no-longer think he will be getting that money.  As you said, he's got no arbitration rights.

However you said give him $1.25M x 2.   As for Wiercioch, I think you are way off base if you think he'd get a slight increase on his QO.  0.5 PPG rookie D-man on a team in the bottom five in the league in G/G.  

Oglethorpe wrote:

spader wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

spader wrote:

wprager wrote:Are you serious?  Wiercioch's QO is $827K; Cowen made more than your "offer" on his ELC.

I'm sure he isn't serious. Cowen will get $2M+ without question.

I am dead serious.  Weircioch has played a grand total of 50 NHL games and has no arbitration rights.  Cowen has a whopping 90 NHL games and 3 AHL games and another 27 combined playoff games, which means he has a total of 120 professional games and people want to pay him 3.5M coming off his second major injury.  I like the 2 guys, but people here act like John Ferguson JR.  It's ridiculous.  Let the system work for you, no arb rights and nothing proving as a pro yet earns you about 10% raise in my books.  Let them cash in on their 3rd contracts.

$2M isn't the same as $3.5M. Just saying. It's easy to defeat an argument that you exaggerate.

There are a few on this site saying sign him to a 7 year deal at 3.5M.  Regardless, what has he done to earn a 2M contract?  He has potential, but he has not accomplished anything yet.

LeKing wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

spader wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

spader wrote:

wprager wrote:Are you serious?  Wiercioch's QO is $827K; Cowen made more than your "offer" on his ELC.

I'm sure he isn't serious. Cowen will get $2M+ without question.

I am dead serious.  Weircioch has played a grand total of 50 NHL games and has no arbitration rights.  Cowen has a whopping 90 NHL games and 3 AHL games and another 27 combined playoff games, which means he has a total of 120 professional games and people want to pay him 3.5M coming off his second major injury.  I like the 2 guys, but people here act like John Ferguson JR.  It's ridiculous.  Let the system work for you, no arb rights and nothing proving as a pro yet earns you about 10% raise in my books.  Let them cash in on their 3rd contracts.

$2M isn't the same as $3.5M. Just saying. It's easy to defeat an argument that you exaggerate.

There are a few on this site saying sign him to a 7 year deal at 3.5M.  Regardless, what has he done to earn a 2M contract?  He has potential, but he has not accomplished anything yet.

I'd give him 7 years at 3.5 without thinking twice.
Can you imagine if Subban took 5 MIllion on a 7 year deal? habs would be laughing hysterically. Now, they will have to give him close to 7Million.

Oglethorpe wrote:
There are a few on this site saying sign him to a 7 year deal at 3.5M.  Regardless, what has he done to earn a 2M contract?  He has potential, but he has not accomplished anything yet.

LeKing wrote:
I'd give him 7 years at 3.5 without thinking twice.
Can you imagine if Subban took 5 MIllion on a 7 year deal? habs would be laughing hysterically. Now, they will have to give him close to 7Million.

Oglethorpe wrote:

spader wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

spader wrote:

wprager wrote:Are you serious?  Wiercioch's QO is $827K; Cowen made more than your "offer" on his ELC.

I'm sure he isn't serious. Cowen will get $2M+ without question.

I am dead serious.  Weircioch has played a grand total of 50 NHL games and has no arbitration rights.  Cowen has a whopping 90 NHL games and 3 AHL games and another 27 combined playoff games, which means he has a total of 120 professional games and people want to pay him 3.5M coming off his second major injury.  I like the 2 guys, but people here act like John Ferguson JR.  It's ridiculous.  Let the system work for you, no arb rights and nothing proving as a pro yet earns you about 10% raise in my books.  Let them cash in on their 3rd contracts.

$2M isn't the same as $3.5M. Just saying. It's easy to defeat an argument that you exaggerate.

There are a few on this site saying sign him to a 7 year deal at 3.5M.  Regardless, what has he done to earn a 2M contract?  He has potential, but he has not accomplished anything yet.

Oglethorpe wrote:

LeKing wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

spader wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

spader wrote:

wprager wrote:Are you serious?  Wiercioch's QO is $827K; Cowen made more than your "offer" on his ELC.

I'm sure he isn't serious. Cowen will get $2M+ without question.

I am dead serious.  Weircioch has played a grand total of 50 NHL games and has no arbitration rights.  Cowen has a whopping 90 NHL games and 3 AHL games and another 27 combined playoff games, which means he has a total of 120 professional games and people want to pay him 3.5M coming off his second major injury.  I like the 2 guys, but people here act like John Ferguson JR.  It's ridiculous.  Let the system work for you, no arb rights and nothing proving as a pro yet earns you about 10% raise in my books.  Let them cash in on their 3rd contracts.

$2M isn't the same as $3.5M. Just saying. It's easy to defeat an argument that you exaggerate.

There are a few on this site saying sign him to a 7 year deal at 3.5M.  Regardless, what has he done to earn a 2M contract?  He has potential, but he has not accomplished anything yet.

I'd give him 7 years at 3.5 without thinking twice.
Can you imagine if Subban took 5 MIllion on a 7 year deal? habs would be laughing hysterically. Now, they will have to give him close to 7Million.

Can you imagine if the Islanders had signed Rick DiPietro to a 2 year contract, instead of a 15 year deal. 

Oglethorpe wrote:
Weircioch has played 3 months of NHL hockey, only a GM who wants to be fired would say that is a fair sample size to base a future contract on.

wprager wrote:SensChirp ‏@SensChirp

Bar set for Wiercioch? RT @DarrenDreger DET avoids arbitration with Brendan Smith. They agree to a 2 year deal. $1.25 mil and $1.275 mil.

SpezDispenser wrote:

wprager wrote:SensChirp ‏@SensChirp

Bar set for Wiercioch? RT @DarrenDreger DET avoids arbitration with Brendan Smith. They agree to a 2 year deal. $1.25 mil and $1.275 mil.

Sounds about right.

Oglethorpe wrote:

wprager wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

spader wrote:

wprager wrote:Are you serious?  Wiercioch's QO is $827K; Cowen made more than your "offer" on his ELC.

I'm sure he isn't serious. Cowen will get $2M+ without question.

I am dead serious.  Weircioch has played a grand total of 50 NHL games and has no arbitration rights.  Cowen has a whopping 90 NHL games and 3 AHL games and another 27 combined playoff games, which means he has a total of 120 professional games and people want to pay him 3.5M coming off his second major injury.  I like the 2 guys, but people here act like John Ferguson JR.  It's ridiculous.  Let the system work for you, no arb rights and nothing proving as a pro yet earns you about 10% raise in my books.  Let them cash in on their 3rd contracts.

If you want to turn this into an argument between $3.5M or anything approaching Hamonic, and $2.5M, then fine, let's do that, but you'll find that most of us no-longer think he will be getting that money.  As you said, he's got no arbitration rights.

However you said give him $1.25M x 2.   As for Wiercioch, I think you are way off base if you think he'd get a slight increase on his QO.  0.5 PPG rookie D-man on a team in the bottom five in the league in G/G.  

Weircioch has played 3 months of NHL hockey, only a GM who wants to be fired would say that is a fair sample size to base a future contract on.

spader wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

wprager wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

spader wrote:

wprager wrote:Are you serious?  Wiercioch's QO is $827K; Cowen made more than your "offer" on his ELC.

I'm sure he isn't serious. Cowen will get $2M+ without question.

I am dead serious.  Weircioch has played a grand total of 50 NHL games and has no arbitration rights.  Cowen has a whopping 90 NHL games and 3 AHL games and another 27 combined playoff games, which means he has a total of 120 professional games and people want to pay him 3.5M coming off his second major injury.  I like the 2 guys, but people here act like John Ferguson JR.  It's ridiculous.  Let the system work for you, no arb rights and nothing proving as a pro yet earns you about 10% raise in my books.  Let them cash in on their 3rd contracts.

If you want to turn this into an argument between $3.5M or anything approaching Hamonic, and $2.5M, then fine, let's do that, but you'll find that most of us no-longer think he will be getting that money.  As you said, he's got no arbitration rights.

However you said give him $1.25M x 2.   As for Wiercioch, I think you are way off base if you think he'd get a slight increase on his QO.  0.5 PPG rookie D-man on a team in the bottom five in the league in G/G.  

Weircioch has played 3 months of NHL hockey, only a GM who wants to be fired would say that is a fair sample size to base a future contract on.

What a silly thing to say. He needs a new contract. They have nothing other than this sample size on which to base the new contract. What should they do? Ask him to play for free for a few years so that they really know what they're getting?

wprager wrote:If you want to compare, Smith has 15 points in 48 NHL games; Wiercioch has 21  in 50.  The PPG pace is 34% higher for Wiercioch.

Fun with numbers.

wprager wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

wprager wrote:SensChirp ‏@SensChirp

Bar set for Wiercioch? RT @DarrenDreger DET avoids arbitration with Brendan Smith. They agree to a 2 year deal. $1.25 mil and $1.275 mil.

Sounds about right.

I'd say $1.5 x 2, maybe even more if they can still do performance based bonuses.