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spader wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

wprager wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

spader wrote:

wprager wrote:Are you serious?  Wiercioch's QO is $827K; Cowen made more than your "offer" on his ELC.

I'm sure he isn't serious. Cowen will get $2M+ without question.

I am dead serious.  Weircioch has played a grand total of 50 NHL games and has no arbitration rights.  Cowen has a whopping 90 NHL games and 3 AHL games and another 27 combined playoff games, which means he has a total of 120 professional games and people want to pay him 3.5M coming off his second major injury.  I like the 2 guys, but people here act like John Ferguson JR.  It's ridiculous.  Let the system work for you, no arb rights and nothing proving as a pro yet earns you about 10% raise in my books.  Let them cash in on their 3rd contracts.

If you want to turn this into an argument between $3.5M or anything approaching Hamonic, and $2.5M, then fine, let's do that, but you'll find that most of us no-longer think he will be getting that money.  As you said, he's got no arbitration rights.

However you said give him $1.25M x 2.   As for Wiercioch, I think you are way off base if you think he'd get a slight increase on his QO.  0.5 PPG rookie D-man on a team in the bottom five in the league in G/G.  

Weircioch has played 3 months of NHL hockey, only a GM who wants to be fired would say that is a fair sample size to base a future contract on.

What a silly thing to say. He needs a new contract. They have nothing other than this sample size on which to base the new contract. What should they do? Ask him to play for free for a few years so that they really know what they're getting?

wprager wrote:If you want to compare, Smith has 15 points in 48 NHL games; Wiercioch has 21  in 50.  The PPG pace is 34% higher for Wiercioch.

Fun with numbers.

wprager wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

wprager wrote:SensChirp ‏@SensChirp

Bar set for Wiercioch? RT @DarrenDreger DET avoids arbitration with Brendan Smith. They agree to a 2 year deal. $1.25 mil and $1.275 mil.

Sounds about right.

I'd say $1.5 x 2, maybe even more if they can still do performance based bonuses.

Oglethorpe wrote:

wprager wrote:If you want to compare, Smith has 15 points in 48 NHL games; Wiercioch has 21  in 50.  The PPG pace is 34% higher for Wiercioch.

Fun with numbers.

Not a comparable when you take into account that Smith was arbitration eligible and Wiercioch is not.

SpezDispenser wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

wprager wrote:If you want to compare, Smith has 15 points in 48 NHL games; Wiercioch has 21  in 50.  The PPG pace is 34% higher for Wiercioch.

Fun with numbers.

Not a comparable when you take into account that Smith was arbitration eligible and Wiercioch is not.

I can almost buy what you're selling here.  1 year, 1 million might be what the Sens decide to do, but it means re-assessing again next year, which might be tough if he ends up having a monster season.

Oglethorpe wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

Oglethorpe wrote:

wprager wrote:If you want to compare, Smith has 15 points in 48 NHL games; Wiercioch has 21  in 50.  The PPG pace is 34% higher for Wiercioch.

Fun with numbers.

Not a comparable when you take into account that Smith was arbitration eligible and Wiercioch is not.

I can almost buy what you're selling here.  1 year, 1 million might be what the Sens decide to do, but it means re-assessing again next year, which might be tough if he ends up having a monster season.

Jake Muzzin just got 2 x 1M from the Kings.  I would bet Wiercioch gets either 1 x 900K-1M or 2 years at about 2.1M.

wprager wrote:Again, Muzzin -- 17 points in 56 games; Wiercioch -- 21 in 50.  Ottawa scored 15% less than LA.

spader wrote:

wprager wrote:Again, Muzzin -- 17 points in 56 games; Wiercioch -- 21 in 50.  Ottawa scored 15% less than LA.

Muzzin's actually a decent comparable. You seem to think hat anyone without an identical stats sheet isn't worthy of comparison, but that isn't the case. Comparisons deal with the similar, not the same.

LeKing wrote:Dung, I think I'm gonna stop mocking the guy...

http://www.ottawasun.com/2013/07/13/shawn-simpson-enjoying-time-as-a-hockey-commentator-on-team-1200-after-experiencing-his-share-of-ups-and-downs

LeKing wrote:The guy was adopted, then his parents divorce before he turns 10 then he moves every few months. That kind of stuff diddles up your childhood most of the time.