What does it take to get Nash?

Yah I think Simmonds aside from stats brings a speed and physical game that Foligno doesn't. Stat wise they might be a bit similar, even Foligno ahead a little but I don't think it's really that hard to figure out which player is the better at this point and probably has a better future.

NEELY wrote:Yah I think Simmonds aside from stats brings a speed and physical game that Foligno doesn't. Stat wise they might be a bit similar, even Foligno ahead a little but I don't think it's really that hard to figure out which player is the better at this point and probably has a better future.

No, I agree. I'm just saying when that Richards trade went down last year, no one knew (and certainly very few predicted) that Simmonds would be putting up close to 30 goals the next year. Hindsight is 20/20, and I think that's factoring into people's sense of value, re: Simmonds then and Foligno then/now. It's closer than people are making it out to sound.

rooneypoo wrote:

NEELY wrote:Yah I think Simmonds aside from stats brings a speed and physical game that Foligno doesn't. Stat wise they might be a bit similar, even Foligno ahead a little but I don't think it's really that hard to figure out which player is the better at this point and probably has a better future.

No, I agree. I'm just saying when that Richards trade went down last year, no one knew (and certainly very few predicted) that Simmonds would be putting up close to 30 goals the next year. Hindsight is 20/20, and I think that's factoring into people's sense of value, re: Simmonds then and Foligno then/now. It's closer than people are making it out to sound.

I didn't think he would get that close to 30 but I would have bet someone with in the next 2 years after that deal he would have scored 20 plus. I was always a big Simmonds fan so.

Also, one thing people might want to take into account with Nash is the fact he makes 7.8 mil a year... back loaded. Do you know what the difference is between take home in Ottawa/Toronto vs basically anywhere in the U.S each year? Borders between 1.5-2 mil a year.

NEELY wrote:Also, one thing people might want to take into account with Nash is the fact he makes 7.8 mil a year... back loaded. Do you know what the difference is between take home in Ottawa/Toronto vs basically anywhere in the U.S each year? Borders between 1.5-2 mil a year.

Yeah, soon the Sens will give up on trying for him I think. He's not coming here.

Alright, so let's forget Nash and focus on Bobby Ryan, as that is a more realistic option (and likely a better option).

Imagine paying 10 million in additional taxes when you don't have to. That's a pretty big deal.

tim1_2 wrote:Alright, so let's forget Nash and focus on Bobby Ryan, as that is a more realistic option (and likely a better option).

I would but I don't see a thread entitled "What does it take to get Ryan?"

SeawaySensFan wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Alright, so let's forget Nash and focus on Bobby Ryan, as that is a more realistic option (and likely a better option).

I would but I don't see a thread entitled "What does it take to get Ryan?"

I was going to start that thread, but then I was afraid that it would result in another riveting comparison between Simmonds and Foligno.

tim1_2 wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Alright, so let's forget Nash and focus on Bobby Ryan, as that is a more realistic option (and likely a better option).

I would but I don't see a thread entitled "What does it take to get Ryan?"

I was going to start that thread, but then I was afraid that it would result in another riveting comparison between Simmonds and Foligno.

What Simmonds did this year has distorted people sense of his relative value vis-a-vis Foligno. Would I have taken Simmonds over Foligno at this point last year? Probably, but that's because I like the rough and tumble players. The point is, at the time, they were pretty close in terms of value, on paper. Simmonds is one year younger and was drafted one year earlier, but both guys entered the league in the same year and put up very similar numbers. As for the 'more teams were inquiring about Simmonds than Foligno' point, how the Diddle would anyone on this board have any sense of that? Even if it were true, no one here would know it for a fact.

All I'm trying to do is look at the Richards trade (Simmonds + high first rounder + Schenn) and compare it to the rumoured Zibanejad + Bishop + Foligno offer, and to make the case the the value there is closer than it might look. What Simmonds has done since that trade distorts our sense of what his perceived value was at the time of the trade.

rooneypoo wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Alright, so let's forget Nash and focus on Bobby Ryan, as that is a more realistic option (and likely a better option).

I would but I don't see a thread entitled "What does it take to get Ryan?"

I was going to start that thread, but then I was afraid that it would result in another riveting comparison between Simmonds and Foligno.

What Simmonds did this year has distorted people sense of his relative value vis-a-vis Foligno. Would I have taken Simmonds over Foligno at this point last year? Probably, but that's because I like the rough and tumble players. The point is, at the time, they were pretty close in terms of value, on paper. Simmonds is one year younger and was drafted one year earlier, but both guys entered the league in the same year and put up very similar numbers. As for the 'more teams were inquiring about Simmonds than Foligno' point, how the Diddle would anyone on this board have any sense of that? Even if it were true, no one here would know it for a fact.

All I'm trying to do is look at the Richards trade (Simmonds + high first rounder + Schenn) and compare it to the rumoured Zibanejad + Bishop + Foligno offer, and to make the case the the value there is closer than it might look. What Simmonds has done since that trade distorts our sense of what his perceived value was at the time of the trade.

What Simmonds did this year is score 2 more points than Foligno and register 56 less hits.

Give me a break. He's not that big a deal, people.

rooneypoo wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Alright, so let's forget Nash and focus on Bobby Ryan, as that is a more realistic option (and likely a better option).

I would but I don't see a thread entitled "What does it take to get Ryan?"

I was going to start that thread, but then I was afraid that it would result in another riveting comparison between Simmonds and Foligno.

What Simmonds did this year has distorted people sense of his relative value vis-a-vis Foligno. Would I have taken Simmonds over Foligno at this point last year? Probably, but that's because I like the rough and tumble players. The point is, at the time, they were pretty close in terms of value, on paper. Simmonds is one year younger and was drafted one year earlier, but both guys entered the league in the same year and put up very similar numbers. As for the 'more teams were inquiring about Simmonds than Foligno' point, how the Diddle would anyone on this board have any sense of that? Even if it were true, no one here would know it for a fact.

All I'm trying to do is look at the Richards trade (Simmonds + high first rounder + Schenn) and compare it to the rumoured Zibanejad + Bishop + Foligno offer, and to make the case the the value there is closer than it might look. What Simmonds has done since that trade distorts our sense of what his perceived value was at the time of the trade.

Intriguing. Please tell me more about your thoughts on Foligno vs Simmonds.

tim1_2 wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Alright, so let's forget Nash and focus on Bobby Ryan, as that is a more realistic option (and likely a better option).

I would but I don't see a thread entitled "What does it take to get Ryan?"

I was going to start that thread, but then I was afraid that it would result in another riveting comparison between Simmonds and Foligno.

What Simmonds did this year has distorted people sense of his relative value vis-a-vis Foligno. Would I have taken Simmonds over Foligno at this point last year? Probably, but that's because I like the rough and tumble players. The point is, at the time, they were pretty close in terms of value, on paper. Simmonds is one year younger and was drafted one year earlier, but both guys entered the league in the same year and put up very similar numbers. As for the 'more teams were inquiring about Simmonds than Foligno' point, how the Diddle would anyone on this board have any sense of that? Even if it were true, no one here would know it for a fact.

All I'm trying to do is look at the Richards trade (Simmonds + high first rounder + Schenn) and compare it to the rumoured Zibanejad + Bishop + Foligno offer, and to make the case the the value there is closer than it might look. What Simmonds has done since that trade distorts our sense of what his perceived value was at the time of the trade.

Intriguing. Please tell me more about your thoughts on Foligno vs Simmonds.

Are you trying to be a douche, or does it just come naturally? Jesus.

EDIT: we're in a thread here talking about "what does it take to get Nash?", so I'm pretty discussing things like the value of players we might give up in a trade, or the value of players given up in similar trades in the past, are pretty much right on topic.

tim1_2 wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Alright, so let's forget Nash and focus on Bobby Ryan, as that is a more realistic option (and likely a better option).

I would but I don't see a thread entitled "What does it take to get Ryan?"

I was going to start that thread, but then I was afraid that it would result in another riveting comparison between Simmonds and Foligno.

What Simmonds did this year has distorted people sense of his relative value vis-a-vis Foligno. Would I have taken Simmonds over Foligno at this point last year? Probably, but that's because I like the rough and tumble players. The point is, at the time, they were pretty close in terms of value, on paper. Simmonds is one year younger and was drafted one year earlier, but both guys entered the league in the same year and put up very similar numbers. As for the 'more teams were inquiring about Simmonds than Foligno' point, how the Diddle would anyone on this board have any sense of that? Even if it were true, no one here would know it for a fact.

All I'm trying to do is look at the Richards trade (Simmonds + high first rounder + Schenn) and compare it to the rumoured Zibanejad + Bishop + Foligno offer, and to make the case the the value there is closer than it might look. What Simmonds has done since that trade distorts our sense of what his perceived value was at the time of the trade.

Intriguing. Please tell me more about your thoughts on Foligno vs Simmonds.

I said all that needs to be said about the matter.

rooneypoo wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

tim1_2 wrote:Alright, so let's forget Nash and focus on Bobby Ryan, as that is a more realistic option (and likely a better option).

I would but I don't see a thread entitled "What does it take to get Ryan?"

I was going to start that thread, but then I was afraid that it would result in another riveting comparison between Simmonds and Foligno.

What Simmonds did this year has distorted people sense of his relative value vis-a-vis Foligno. Would I have taken Simmonds over Foligno at this point last year? Probably, but that's because I like the rough and tumble players. The point is, at the time, they were pretty close in terms of value, on paper. Simmonds is one year younger and was drafted one year earlier, but both guys entered the league in the same year and put up very similar numbers. As for the 'more teams were inquiring about Simmonds than Foligno' point, how the Diddle would anyone on this board have any sense of that? Even if it were true, no one here would know it for a fact.

All I'm trying to do is look at the Richards trade (Simmonds + high first rounder + Schenn) and compare it to the rumoured Zibanejad + Bishop + Foligno offer, and to make the case the the value there is closer than it might look. What Simmonds has done since that trade distorts our sense of what his perceived value was at the time of the trade.

Intriguing. Please tell me more about your thoughts on Foligno vs Simmonds.

Are you trying to be a douche, or does it just come naturally? Jesus.

Don't mention Sidney Crosby. That really sets off his Tourette's.

I was just amused when you responded to my comment about a "riveting" discussion comparing Simmonds with Foligno with more dialogue on the same topic. It made me giggle with douchbaggy delight!

It comes naturally, sorry. My greatest asset is also my biggest flaw.

And Crysby is a little whiny sissyboy who I wish would retire.

tim1_2 wrote:I was just amused when you responded to my comment about a "riveting" discussion comparing Simmonds with Foligno with more dialogue on the same topic. It made me giggle with douchbaggy delight!

It comes naturally, sorry. My greatest asset is also my biggest flaw.

Ah, gotcha. A natural douchebag. That saves me a lot of time.