What does it take to get Nash?

SpezDispenser wrote:Ha, I thought the 15th overall was included there. I'd do it with that in there as well no problem.

You are getting to the point that it wouldn't be worth it. If they flip the 15th for the 31st, maybe. 15th outright? No way IMO.

I wouldn't give up more than 3 pieces for Nash. That's what Richards went for.

That's a solid offer IMO.

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Ha, I thought the 15th overall was included there. I'd do it with that in there as well no problem.

You are getting to the point that it wouldn't be worth it. If they flip the 15th for the 31st, maybe. 15th outright? No way IMO.

Fair enough.

Hoags wrote:I wouldn't give up more than 3 pieces for Nash. That's what Richards went for.

That's a solid offer IMO.

That's exactly what Richards went for Nash doesn't have the hardware Richards does either.

If it's Bishop/Foligno/Zibanejad, it's a no brainer if Nash accepts the trade. You don't take anyone out of the top 6, out of the top 4, or a starting goaltender... Also gives Lehner the job in Ottawa.

Imagine at this time last year... if you were to say "yah, the Sens will make the playoffs as well as add Turris and Nash within a year"... WOW.

If they somehow land Nash for that package, next up is a D man and you can bet Murray will do everything to make a move for one.

Also, the other thing that may come of this is "Hey, Justin, it's Bryan murray. You can step into the top 6 and get 2nd PP time on a teams that we feel is real close. We have a Shultz jersey waiting for you".

That would be huge.

Hoags wrote:No we are 100% SOL.

Very very very few players have a career like Alfie and have such an impact on their organization on and off the ice. Chances of any of our prospects doing that are slim. Alfie has been clutch, works hard on and off the ice and sets an example to everyone.

Leadership is a huge problem as well, I don't want Spezza "leading" this team, he couldn't lead a dog to a fire hydrant to piss on. He's OK as an A.

Not long ago Alfie was almost run out of town. His "leadership" did little in the post-season for 4 straight appearances against the Leafs, and in 12 straight post-seasons we finally managed to get to the Finals. Our post-season success was not on par with our regular season success, and many said that at least some of that had to do with the veteran leadership on this team, which included Redden, Phillips and Alfredsson (and to a lesser degree guys like Fisher and Neil, an Kelly).

This is in no way me saying that Alfie's leadership is over-rated, but please don't tell me we'll be a lottery team or will be perennially swept in the 1st rounds unless we can replace Alfie's leadership. We don't have a single leader in that room. Fact.

Also, Nash will replace ALfie's scoring but have you ever heard of him being referred to as a leader?

Hoags wrote:

wprager wrote:
So now you want to take a team that was 4th overall in scoring, appears to have made some minor improvements, and sacrifice their future franchise goalie for a scorer?

Highly unlikely we will be 4th in scoring(or similar) again if nothing changes. I really doubt Alfie will pot 27 and Michalek 30+. Big questions on scoring from Foligno as well.

And once Alfie retires ? How do you replace his offence ?

Last off-season pretty much everyone was saying we'd find it tough to score. While I didn't think we'd be to-5 in the league, I was one of the few who didn't think it would that bad. True, lack of significant injuries to Spezza and Michalek, and a healthy Alfredsson had a lot to do with that, but that's just the way things go. Butler was supposed to be a top-six player for us and he was gone for pretty much the full year, so you can't even say we were spared significant injuries.

I think if you can get Nash for the package mentioned above you may even be able to lure Suter which would put the Sens pretty damn close to a contender with Alfie still in the mix.

I could see Columbus doing better than that deal. I think it is a fair deal but if I am Howson, I need to do better than a fair deal.

Cap'n Clutch wrote:I think if you can get Nash for the package mentioned above you may even be able to lure Suter which would put the Sens pretty damn close to a contender with Alfie still in the mix.

Daaah, don't think he's moving from the West. Thought 100% crossed my mind but it's not gonna happen. I would lay serious cash on him landing in Minny.

dennycrane wrote:I could see Columbus doing better than that deal. I think it is a fair deal but if I am Howson, I need to do better than a fair deal.

They need a goalie and guess what? Most teams don't have one they can give up. Ottawa does and it holds a ton of weight.

NEELY wrote:Also, the other thing that may come of this is "Hey, Justin, it's Bryan murray. You can step into the top 6 and get 2nd PP time on a teams that we feel is real close. We have a Shultz jersey waiting for you".

That would be huge.

Did you mean top 4 or are you saying he is a bottom-paring guy?

dennycrane wrote:I could see Columbus doing better than that deal. I think it is a fair deal but if I am Howson, I need to do better than a fair deal.

Remember when we were thinking that about Heatley?

wprager wrote:

NEELY wrote:Also, the other thing that may come of this is "Hey, Justin, it's Bryan murray. You can step into the top 6 and get 2nd PP time on a teams that we feel is real close. We have a Shultz jersey waiting for you".

That would be huge.

Did you mean top 4 or are you saying he is a bottom-paring guy?

No team will give Shultz a top 4 spot right away... he will jump into any teams top 6 though and get some PP mins. Ottawa can basically give him a spot right now.

NEELY wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:I think if you can get Nash for the package mentioned above you may even be able to lure Suter which would put the Sens pretty damn close to a contender with Alfie still in the mix.

Daaah, don't think he's moving from the West. Thought 100% crossed my mind but it's not gonna happen. I would lay serious cash on him landing in Minny.

You're probably right but imagine throwing this lineup card across Suter's agents desk for consideration?

Top Six
Michalek - Spezza - Nash
Greening - Turris - Alfie

Top 4 D
Karlsson - You (Suter)
Cowen - Phillips

wprager wrote:
This is in no way me saying that Alfie's leadership is over-rated, but please don't tell me we'll be a lottery team or will be perennially swept in the 1st rounds unless we can replace Alfie's leadership. We don't have a single leader in that room. Fact.

Also, Nash will replace ALfie's scoring but have you ever heard of him being referred to as a leader?

Wait. So, you aren't saying Alfie's leadership is overrated, but he isn't a leader. If there isn't a leader in the room, and he's in the room, then he isn't a leader. Unless you mean that he's only a leader on the ice, something that you can't know one way or the other.

Hoags wrote:D-bag Brennan seems to confirm the rumors:

http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/06/19/sens-in-hunt-for-nash

Multiple solid sources have confirmed rumblings of Ottawa’s interest, saying GM Bryan Murray has indeed talked with the Columbus Blue Jackets about acquiring the two-time 40-goal scorer.

One insider went a step further by telling Sun Media the players the Senators proposed to send back in the deal for the left winger, a scenario confirmed by another source.

For the just-turned 28-year-old Nash, it appears the Senators are prepared to trade 2011 first-round pick Mika Zibanejad, winger Nick Foligno and goalie Ben Bishop.

It’s not known whether any other moving parts or draft picks would be involved.

Swirlings

Based on the writer, it's official: Nash isn't coming to Ottawa.

NEELY wrote:

dennycrane wrote:I could see Columbus doing better than that deal. I think it is a fair deal but if I am Howson, I need to do better than a fair deal.

They need a goalie and guess what? Most teams don't have one they can give up. Ottawa does and it holds a ton of weight.

They could trade for a goalie without trading Nash. Hell if they wanted Bishop, they had tons of picks to get him from St. Louis.

If they want Bishop I think they just ask what we would need in return.