What does it take to get Nash?

SpezDispenser wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Hoags wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:
Huh. I don't know if I feel the same. But for sure, Cowen holds similar value to us in terms of his importance -- Cowen is shaping up to be our top pairing lefty for a decade to come.

I generally think it would be easier to replace Cowen with a Z. Michalek-esque trade than it would be to trade for or sign or draft a Nash-type player. Just my take, tho'.

In any event, I would not want to see Cowen go.

If you trade Cowen who do you replace him with ? Maybe you can get Michalek but that's more assets to give up for an older player.

Cowen is the closest replacement to Chara that we'll ever get, and when Chara left that was when we started sliding downward. Gotta make up for Muckler's stupidity.

Not that I want to trade Cowen, at all, but...

My point is that, in general, it's easier to replace a defensive Dman than it is to find a top-line winger who plays in every situation, and who may well be leadership material (debatable in the case of Nash, I know -- hence the tentative terms).

Cowen won't be a Chara or a Weber, or at least it isn't looking that way, because he doesn't seem to have the offense. He'll almost certainly be a big minute muncher and a crease clearer, and a guy who takes most of the D-zone starts and play a huge role on the PK, but I don't know if we're going to see him put up 40+ points or man PP1 on a regular basis anytime soon. Maybe.

Again, I think that is a very important role, and that Cowen is a very good player and we for sure have no one to replace him... but I think you can replace what he brings easier than you can find that top-line, elite talent (it being understood that, yes, in the case of Nash, the jury is out on that issue for some people).

Give his offense time, I'm confident that he'll grow offensively with his nice, low, accurate shot.

NEELY wrote:Yah, Cowen will be a 40-50 point D man in his prime. There may not be a D man in the NHL right now that has the package he does aside from Chara.

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:
If Lehner is the piece they truly want for Nash... I don't see how you don't make that move. You add Nash to your lineup without taking taking a top 6 forward or top 4 D man out of it... How do you not make that trade given that the others pieces are reasonable.

If It's Lehner/Foligno/1st/mid tier prospect... you do it.

All of this is off the assumption salary isn't an issue either.

Because Lehner is everything we've ever wanted here in Ottawa, from his attitude to his skills to his 'cocky' demeanour. I view him as the most important bridge from Anderson to our next starter - especially given the almost too perfect timeline where Lehner would get one more year in the AHL, then 2 years as backup to Anderson, then to the starter role with as much mentoring as the Sens organization can heap on him. I bet he'd be the backbone to our franchise, a Henrik Lundqvist behind a much better team than the Rangers have.

Of all the people, I would expect you to understand my burning desire to keep Lehner, even if it means Nash is off the table.

Lehner is my favorite prospect by a mile... doesn't mean I don't make that trade. You can draft another goalie, sign for one, trade for one, w/e. Fact of the matter is Lehner isn't a roster player in Ottawa and getting a player like Nash for him is absolutely a no brainer. I love Lehner and I'm not a huge Nash fan, but I'm going to call a spade a spade here and you make that deal 100% of the time.

I guess that's where we differ. I see a young Lundqvist in Lehner and I don't want to let that go - especially in this goalie graveyard.

wprager wrote:
So now you want to take a team that was 4th overall in scoring, appears to have made some minor improvements, and sacrifice their future franchise goalie for a scorer?

rooneypoo wrote:

NEELY wrote:Yah, Cowen will be a 40-50 point D man in his prime. There may not be a D man in the NHL right now that has the package he does aside from Chara.

I hope you are right on that. I'm a little worried he's going to turn out more like a Coburn -- a big, sturdy, strong defender without much puck acumen. Definitely want to be wrong on that, tho'.

Hoags wrote:maybe Nash is a bad idea:

Seasons G A P SOG Shooting Percentage

2008-2009 40 39 79 236 15.2%
2009-2010 33 34 67 254 13.0%
2010-2011 32 32 65 305 10.5%
2011-2012 30 29 59 306 9.8%

Trending downward last few years.

Multiple solid sources have confirmed rumblings of Ottawa’s interest, saying GM Bryan Murray has indeed talked with the Columbus Blue Jackets about acquiring the two-time 40-goal scorer.

One insider went a step further by telling Sun Media the players the Senators proposed to send back in the deal for the left winger, a scenario confirmed by another source.

For the just-turned 28-year-old Nash, it appears the Senators are prepared to trade 2011 first-round pick Mika Zibanejad, winger Nick Foligno and goalie Ben Bishop.

It’s not known whether any other moving parts or draft picks would be involved.

shabbs wrote:Rick Nash will be a Columbus Blue Jacket this coming season. Book it.

Hoags wrote:D-bag Brennan seems to confirm the rumors:

http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/06/19/sens-in-hunt-for-nash

Multiple solid sources have confirmed rumblings of Ottawa’s interest, saying GM Bryan Murray has indeed talked with the Columbus Blue Jackets about acquiring the two-time 40-goal scorer.

One insider went a step further by telling Sun Media the players the Senators proposed to send back in the deal for the left winger, a scenario confirmed by another source.

For the just-turned 28-year-old Nash, it appears the Senators are prepared to trade 2011 first-round pick Mika Zibanejad, winger Nick Foligno and goalie Ben Bishop.

It’s not known whether any other moving parts or draft picks would be involved.

Swirlings

Hoags wrote:D-bag Brennan seems to confirm the rumors:

http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/06/19/sens-in-hunt-for-nash

Multiple solid sources have confirmed rumblings of Ottawa’s interest, saying GM Bryan Murray has indeed talked with the Columbus Blue Jackets about acquiring the two-time 40-goal scorer.

One insider went a step further by telling Sun Media the players the Senators proposed to send back in the deal for the left winger, a scenario confirmed by another source.

For the just-turned 28-year-old Nash, it appears the Senators are prepared to trade 2011 first-round pick Mika Zibanejad, winger Nick Foligno and goalie Ben Bishop.

It’s not known whether any other moving parts or draft picks would be involved.

Swirlings

NEELY wrote:

Hoags wrote:D-bag Brennan seems to confirm the rumors:

http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/06/19/sens-in-hunt-for-nash

Multiple solid sources have confirmed rumblings of Ottawa’s interest, saying GM Bryan Murray has indeed talked with the Columbus Blue Jackets about acquiring the two-time 40-goal scorer.

One insider went a step further by telling Sun Media the players the Senators proposed to send back in the deal for the left winger, a scenario confirmed by another source.

For the just-turned 28-year-old Nash, it appears the Senators are prepared to trade 2011 first-round pick Mika Zibanejad, winger Nick Foligno and goalie Ben Bishop.

It’s not known whether any other moving parts or draft picks would be involved.

Swirlings

If that's the deal then you do it now.

SpezDispenser wrote:Ha, I thought the 15th overall was included there. I'd do it with that in there as well no problem.

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Ha, I thought the 15th overall was included there. I'd do it with that in there as well no problem.

You are getting to the point that it wouldn't be worth it. If they flip the 15th for the 31st, maybe. 15th outright? No way IMO.