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GAME DAY - Ottawa Senators @ New Jersey Devils, Saturday, April 7, 2012, 3:00 PM EST

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2 minutes!!!!! Ahhhhh!

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shabbs wrote:Diddle this Dung. The Avatar will be changing. We're looking at 8th now at the rate the games are going.

Sweet. You brought terrible luck on the team. It was your fault, and I think that, deep down, they knew it was your fault. Dammit!

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They score!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Us vs Rags...

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GAME DAY - Ottawa Senators @ New Jersey Devils, Saturday, April 7, 2012, 3:00 PM EST - Page 7 Tortorella-vs.-Larry-Brooks

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This team was not expected to even get a sniff at a fight for a playoff spot.. remember. We all said they would be in a fight for the lottery.

This team shows it can play great games.... then other games they look so disinterested.

The pressure is now on the Rangers to win... The Sens can go all in with no pressure at all.

Regardless as to how many games they play in the playoffs it has been a successful season.

The only downside... Karlsson did not get 80 points.

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Riprock wrote:Man I wish Rooney was here - whenever I mention anything remotely close to saying a team wants to lose I wake up with a sore bunghole the next day.

For shame, Ev.

Nobody wants to lose - not even the Penguins so they can draft Fleury, Malkin and Staal.

You think Edmonton likes drafting top 2 every year for the past 3 years in a row? No way they want to have to deal with the burdens of having 3 franchise players to go with their already nice, young group of players.

Rooney is always here.

Big difference between losing one game, and losing as a culture. Can't help you if you don't see the difference.

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Riprock wrote:
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Riprock wrote:They don't care about winning though. They want to lose. They are trying to tank the first round, they just wanted the revenue from 2 home playoff games and the 15th overall pick... Sarcasm

Uh ... huh ...

Evan logic?

So we have seen the Sens team that can win, and can defy the odds... and there are those who say that that team is the team that the Sens are... then there is the Sens team that loses to bad teams and gets outplayed. So who are the Sens? Which Sens team is the real Sens team?

Should this team even be in the playoffs? Hypothetically is getting swept in the 1st round better than drafting top 5? Next hypothetical: Why is it that the Sens fans make fun of the Leafs when they just miss the playoffs, but if it were the Sens, not finishing in the bottom 5 = a winning environment. It's quite amusingly hypocritical.

Sens match up great against NYR. Any day. This is a series we can win -- which is what I wouldn't say if we had to face BOS next week.

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spader wrote:
shabbs wrote:Diddle this Dung. The Avatar will be changing. We're looking at 8th now at the rate the games are going.

Sweet. You brought terrible luck on the team. It was your fault, and I think that, deep down, they knew it was your fault. Dammit!
Terrible luck? Hellz no. I saved us from Boston... now, the winning can continue! Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww yyyyeeeeeeeaaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!!

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Riprock wrote:Man I wish Rooney was here - whenever I mention anything remotely close to saying a team wants to lose I wake up with a sore bunghole the next day.

For shame, Ev.

Nobody wants to lose - not even the Penguins so they can draft Fleury, Malkin and Staal.

You think Edmonton likes drafting top 2 every year for the past 3 years in a row? No way they want to have to deal with the burdens of having 3 franchise players to go with their already nice, young group of players.

Rooney is always here.

Big difference between losing one game, and losing as a culture. Can't help you if you don't see the difference.

No, I understand the difference, but is it just one game or three?

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Riprock wrote:
rooneypoo wrote:
Riprock wrote:Man I wish Rooney was here - whenever I mention anything remotely close to saying a team wants to lose I wake up with a sore bunghole the next day.

For shame, Ev.

Nobody wants to lose - not even the Penguins so they can draft Fleury, Malkin and Staal.

You think Edmonton likes drafting top 2 every year for the past 3 years in a row? No way they want to have to deal with the burdens of having 3 franchise players to go with their already nice, young group of players.

Rooney is always here.

Big difference between losing one game, and losing as a culture. Can't help you if you don't see the difference.

No, I understand the difference, but is it just one game or three?

I don't believe we intentionally threw any of those last three games, no. I think the CAR game was a clear let-down game, and a predictable loss. Losing to BOS was also very predictable. And the NJ game, well, that could have gone either way, really.

That said, I don't think the players were "up" for those games in the same way that they were "up" for most games throughout the season. I think that's more human nature than strategy, given that the Sens just didn't have anything much to play for, for those final 3 games.

I just hope they didn't pick up any bad habits.

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Thanks for understanding what it is about Evan's logic that I am laughing at. He says the Sens don't show up for meaningless games. From there, I can take in much further which will show that not only is his logic faulty from a winner's perspective but also a loser's one.

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Yup that's my concern as well. It's not that you have a letdown or 2 but to have 3 straight letdowns going into the playoffs? No team did that. Other teams clinched too and yet they saw it important to play hard and go into the playoffs on a winning note.

I guess it's a good thing we get the Rangers then....

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Riprock wrote:Thanks for understanding what it is about Evan's logic that I am laughing at. He says the Sens don't show up for meaningless games. From there, I can take in much further which will show that not only is his logic faulty from a winner's perspective but also a loser's one.

There's something to that, actually. They players did not look like they were "up" for those final games -- not the way they are usually ready, anyway. I think that's psychological more than anything, tho'.

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Then the same logic can be used to say that games featuring teams with no chance at winning are all meaningless games for that team, and they are better off strategically losing to secure a better position for their team (in one case it is dropping to 8th to avoid playing 2nd place team; in the other it is dropping into the lottery rather finishing out of playoffs and out of lottery).

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Also, do you not think that the players and coaches would like to use the pre-playoff games to get motivated? Is going into a series on a losing streak good for a team psychologically?

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Riprock wrote:Then the same logic can be used to say that games featuring teams with no chance at winning are all meaningless games for that team, and they are better off strategically losing to secure a better position for their team (in one case it is dropping to 8th to avoid playing 2nd place team; in the other it is dropping into the lottery rather finishing out of playoffs and out of lottery).

No, LOL, I don't see how that follows, at all.

You never set out to lose. Sometimes, tho', you do show up not prepared to do what it takes to win -- that's not a plan, that's a psychological state ("we clinched they playoffs! Yay!"), that's human nature. Let down games happen all the time, and they're very predictable -- i.e., the first home game after a road trip, the games after you clinch a playoff spot, the game after you are eliminated from the playoffs, etc., etc., etc.

Big, big difference there between setting out to lose and not coming fully prepared, mentally, to do what it takes to win.

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Riprock wrote:Also, do you not think that the players and coaches would like to use the pre-playoff games to get motivated? Is going into a series on a losing streak good for a team psychologically?

I agree, that's a huge concern, and no, I don't think it's particularly good for the team. I don't think anyone wanted these final three games to unfold the way they did -- but I don't think the team was sufficiently motivated to strive to win out, either, and that takes its toll.

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