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tim1_2 wrote:

shabbs wrote:

Flo The Action wrote:we should pick him up and place Auld on waivers. sure he costs 2 mill but he doesn't cost any assets to pick up. no brainer really. pending UFA.

Heh. I wonder if Murray's considering it...

I don't know where we are in the waiver priority, but I kinda doubt we claim him. Murray had said at some point that Lehner was the guy if ever went down. So we'll see…of course, Lehner isn't having the greatest time in Bingo right now. Hard to say. I think we stand pat on the goalie front.

Lehner may be the guy to come up if Anderson is injured for more than a game or two, but he's not the callup to sub in if Anderson needs a break. Also, Lehner is injured right now. Again.

Hoags wrote:

shabbs wrote:
Heh. I wonder if Murray's considering it...

Is he that much better than Auld ?

Calling up Lehner when he's not playing well doesn't send the right message IMHO.

The message is Lehner is part of the future and Auld is not. He's getting $1M for showing up.

wprager wrote:

Hoags wrote:

shabbs wrote:
Heh. I wonder if Murray's considering it...

Is he that much better than Auld ?

Calling up Lehner when he's not playing well doesn't send the right message IMHO.

The message is Lehner is part of the future and Auld is not. He's getting $1M for showing up.

A big part of the future. Doesn't mean he has to be part of the present at the NHL level. I agree with Hoags' sentiment.

Lehner's entire Cussing year is getting messed up right now. Injury, then he gets suspended, then he injures his groin making 45 saves because the B-Sens are an abomination of a team.

See what happens when you completely and utterly ignore your farm team? Bad Dung comes around, young guys are leaned on so heavily that eventually they start to crack - there's only so much Borowiecki and Gryba can do with pylons like Schira and Conboy behind them. Anyone who reads my posts here knew that I was against allowing the team to continue with the D it has right now.

God forbid Wiercioch gets injured, as he's basically the only other good D-man there. Oh...wait...

SpezDispenser wrote:Lehner's entire Cussing year is getting messed up right now. Injury, then he gets suspended, then he injures his groin making 45 saves because the B-Sens are an abomination of a team.

See what happens when you completely and utterly ignore your farm team? Bad Dung comes around, young guys are leaned on so heavily that eventually they start to crack - there's only so much Borowiecki and Gryba can do with pylons like Schira and Conboy behind them. Anyone who reads my posts here knew that I was against allowing the team to continue with the D it has right now.

God forbid Wiercioch gets injured, as he's basically the only other good D-man there. Oh...wait...

Anyone who reads your posts know that you're giving Lehner a free pass for having a bad year. Conboy is a +2, by the way.

Yeah, I know, +/- doesn't mean anything.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Lehner's entire Cussing year is getting messed up right now. Injury, then he gets suspended, then he injures his groin making 45 saves because the B-Sens are an abomination of a team.

See what happens when you completely and utterly ignore your farm team? Bad Dung comes around, young guys are leaned on so heavily that eventually they start to crack - there's only so much Borowiecki and Gryba can do with pylons like Schira and Conboy behind them. Anyone who reads my posts here knew that I was against allowing the team to continue with the D it has right now.

God forbid Wiercioch gets injured, as he's basically the only other good D-man there. Oh...wait...

Anyone who reads your posts know that you're giving Lehner a free pass for having a bad year. Conboy is a +2, by the way.

Yeah, I know, +/- doesn't mean anything.

That really does prove that +/- doesn't mean anything. Lehner's getting dangerously close to a 'lost year'. The kind of thing where he should be commended for playing as well as he has behind a terrible team, but at the same time he hasn't got the minutes he needed to get, nor the experience, nor the wins and now his save % has dipped under .910. They might choose to get him out of there and up to Ottawa next year even if he doesn't play much.

SpezDispenser wrote:Lehner's entire Cussing year is getting messed up right now. Injury, then he gets suspended, then he injures his groin making 45 saves because the B-Sens are an abomination of a team.

See what happens when you completely and utterly ignore your farm team? Bad Dung comes around, young guys are leaned on so heavily that eventually they start to crack - there's only so much Borowiecki and Gryba can do with pylons like Schira and Conboy behind them. Anyone who reads my posts here knew that I was against allowing the team to continue with the D it has right now.

God forbid Wiercioch gets injured, as he's basically the only other good D-man there. Oh...wait...

Yeah, Bingo is in tough. They were basically stripped of the core of the team, though, so this situation wasn't entirely avoidable (although more should've been done to bring in D-men down there). A certain amount of room had to be allowed for guys like Da Costa and Rundblad (and maybe Z-Bad), etc, as well.

It was just a bad situation for Bingo, with lots of the talent and leadership leaving. It's hard to rebuild a team like that in one off-season.

wprager wrote:
The message is Lehner is part of the future and Auld is not. He's getting $1M for showing up.

Lehner already knows he's the future (he's hunting Anderson remember ?).

I really wish we hadn't anointed him the goalie of the future so early on, yes he is a great talent and will most likely be a great NHL goalie but he still has a long way to go:

- He has to bounce from this bad season, stay healthy and play better
- He's going to be a backup here as early as next year, he's gotta be solid when he's in
- He has to outplay Anderson for the #1 job, no not take over by default when Andy's contract is up

SpezDispenser wrote:

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Lehner's entire Cussing year is getting messed up right now. Injury, then he gets suspended, then he injures his groin making 45 saves because the B-Sens are an abomination of a team.

See what happens when you completely and utterly ignore your farm team? Bad Dung comes around, young guys are leaned on so heavily that eventually they start to crack - there's only so much Borowiecki and Gryba can do with pylons like Schira and Conboy behind them. Anyone who reads my posts here knew that I was against allowing the team to continue with the D it has right now.

God forbid Wiercioch gets injured, as he's basically the only other good D-man there. Oh...wait...

Anyone who reads your posts know that you're giving Lehner a free pass for having a bad year. Conboy is a +2, by the way.

Yeah, I know, +/- doesn't mean anything.

That really does prove that +/- doesn't mean anything. Lehner's getting dangerously close to a 'lost year'. The kind of thing where he should be commended for playing as well as he has behind a terrible team, but at the same time he hasn't got the minutes he needed to get, nor the experience, nor the wins and now his save % has dipped under .910. They might choose to get him out of there and up to Ottawa next year even if he doesn't play much.

Hehe. It's really hard for you to accept that Lehner is just not playing all that good and that at least part of the blame goes to him.

Sure, he'll be the first to tell you he's not doing as well as he wants, but I think the situation is bad enough to take into account.

SpezDispenser wrote:Sure, he'll be the first to tell you he's not doing as well as he wants, but I think the situation is bad enough to take into account.

Take into account, sure. But to throw everyone who is not a favored prospect under the bus to absolve Lehner of any responsibility for his bad season is something I can't agree with.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Sure, he'll be the first to tell you he's not doing as well as he wants, but I think the situation is bad enough to take into account.

Take into account, sure. But to throw everyone who is not a favored prospect under the bus to absolve Lehner of any responsibility for his bad season is something I can't agree with.

Here are the guys who have done well:

1.Borowiecki
2.Gryba
3.Wiercioch
4.Hoffman
5.Cannone
6.Petersson

That's basically it.

Locke has come in and in 22 games leads the entire team in scoring. Also, Da Costa and Klinkhammer have comparably high stats in 20ish games.

That's a stat that's very Cussed up, even if he is the reigning AHL MVP. The B-Sens have a measly 116 goals for 22nd in the entire league as well, so they don't score. They've also given up the 2nd most in the league, that is a tale of woe. That's the kind of situation you want your franchise G to NOT be in IMO.

This is a woeful team - and yet Lehner is still at a .909 and McKenna is at .918 - two unbelievably good statistics - especially considering both of these guys went a long time between starts.

What a difference a calm and cool D vet would have made - Benoit's gone, D.Smith is gone and they replace them with...Conboy.

Of course, there are other reasons this happened. Grant has had a terrible year in terms of health and production - he just can't get back on track after injuring himself and Locke being out for half the season was devastating to a team who had already lost Z.Smith, Condra, Butler, Greening and Daugavins from their forward core. Dziurzynski, Cowick and O'Brien all took steps backwards to add to the fun that is the Binghamton Senators.

They went waaay down after Daugavins went up.

Michallica wrote:They went waaay down after Daugavins went up

Definitely - that and Locke getting hurt basically ended their season - which is fine, don't get me wrong they just won the Cup, they lost their core and had them replaced with 2nd year players and rookies - I get the point of that, but when you ignore beefing up your D the way they did, it becomes a very, very hard place for young players to play.

SpezDispenser wrote:

Michallica wrote:They went waaay down after Daugavins went up

Definitely - that and Locke getting hurt basically ended their season - which is fine, don't get me wrong they just won the Cup, they lost their core and had them replaced with 2nd year players and rookies - I get the point of that, but when you ignore beefing up your D the way they did, it becomes a very, very hard place for young players to play.

Good learning experience actually. They learned to win last year and saw the highest of highs, and now they experience the other side. Will make them better in the long run; more seasoned

Michallica wrote:
Good learning experience actually. They learned to win last year and saw the highest of highs, and now they experience the other side. Will make them better in the long run; more seasoned

That's just something losers say to make themselves feel better about being losers.

tim1_2 wrote:

Michallica wrote:
Good learning experience actually. They learned to win last year and saw the highest of highs, and now they experience the other side. Will make them better in the long run; more seasoned

That's just something losers say to make themselves feel better about being losers.

Rather they lose down there than up here.

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