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Game Day - Buffalo @ Ottawa, 7:00PM, Saturday, Movember 5, 2011

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sandysensfan wrote:
wprager wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:
La Femme wrote:Get Rundblad back, Karlsson is not enough.

Yes please.

Do you really think it would have made a difference last night? They were lacking finish around the net. How did Daugavins *not* put that rebound off the boards in? Or Greening on a beautiful setup from behind by Spezza? I hate doing this, but looking at the Event Summary, the Sabres had 7 missed shots, while the Sens had 18. So far we have one win and one loser point in 5 division match-ups. Ugh-ly. One point up on 9th place Tampa, who have 2 games in hand. And the Devils are 2 points back with 3 games in hand.

Tampa plays Florida tonight. Best-case scenario Florida wins in regulation and we slip to 8th, but if Tampa gets even a loser point we are out of that playoff spot. If Tampa loses in regulation, then one of New Jersey or Carolina will get 2 points on Tuesday. Best we can hope for in that game is that the Devils win in a shootout (we would still be ahead with 4 ROW to their 3).

I don't see how we can hang on to that playoff position before our next game. And three games ago we were in 4th.

I guess it's true what they say -- it's still early.

But this team is re-building. Why are you so upset that they may fall out of a playoff position.

If someone told me at the start of the season that his young team -- (with 6 or 7 rookies in the lineup most nights, new coaching staff, new playing system) would be at .500 and in a playoff position after 15 games I would not have believed them.

Let's get realistic. This team is not making the playoffs... and it is best for the re-build that they don't.

I've been saying all along that this team *can* make the playoffs. So allow me to be disappointed. If Anderson had been playing the way we all expected him to play in the off-season we would be leading the Division. If you don't believe me, consider this: if Anderson played better we don't lose that 6-5 game against the Leafs -- just that one game, and we're tied with the Leafs at 17. Then even getting to an OT in one of the remaining losses puts us one point ahead.

Everyone was saying we would not score, and I was one of the few challenging this "fact". Remember, last year, up until Spezza got injured, we were a 2-3 game winning streak out of a playoff spot. And I fully expected a better year from Kuba (no broken leg and a full training camp) and Gonchar (who traditionally is slow to adjust to a new team). I *didn't* expect either Regin or Butler to light it up, although I was hoping for 15-20 goals between the two of them. I must admit I was expecting Filatov to make the team, but I also expected DaCosta and Rundblad to play in Bingo. So I was overly optimistic in some expectation and overly pessimistic in others -- overall, though, I thought (and still think) my expectations were not outrageous. I fully expected Boston to struggle because of the Cup "hangover", and one of Montreal and Buffalo to sputter if Price or Miller were not having a Vezina-candidate season. I expected Toronto to falter when Reimer struggled because of all the expectation and playing load. He has, but they've been scoring a ton of goals (most of the time) to overcome it. I still fully expect them to come back down to Earth. So in that kind of NE Division I don't think it would have been outrageous to expect the Sens to contend for a spot.

Now, on to your comment regarding rookies -- we had 6 in the lineup once, when Lehner started. Zibanejad, Da Costa, Greening, Cowen, Rundblad and, now, Daugavins. Two of those are only in because Regin and Alfredsson are injured. Greening played 24 games last year so he is *barely* a rookie (he's also 25 years old, in fact most of our "rookies" are in their mid-20s. Inexperienced? Somewhat, but not really raw rookies, for the most part.

Without the injuries we'd have 3 rookies in the lineup, a far cry from 6-7.

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NEELY wrote:The dumbest logic anyone could come up with is "winning isn't good for the team/rebuild/contender/sexual preadtors/nuns/whatever else.

The playoffs are the goal for any team and winning makes any team better in the long run.

Sexual predator nuns? Sounds like a title of a Tarantino movie Smile

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I like Lee last night Prager, but Rundblad lends not only a pretty steady play in his own zone, he's also a wizard at passing in the offensive zone. We needed to see Lee, we have now, now I want Rundblad back (personally), because I LOVE watching him and he can help the forwards with nice outlets.

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There's a reason why the team is winless when Brian Lee plays.

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NEELY wrote:The dumbest logic anyone could come up with is "winning isn't good for the team/rebuild/contender/sexual preadtors/nuns/whatever else.

The playoffs are the goal for any team and winning makes any team better in the long run.
I don't love that logic at all. This team should be competing every night.

To further that point, we can all look at it like this:

LOCKS next year (barring trades or poor play):

1.Spezza
2.Greening
3.Michalek
4.Alfredsson
5.Z.Smith
6.Condra
7.Neil
8.Daugavins (believe it!)

Probables:

9.Foligno
10.Da Costa
11.Regin

So...by that count, unless there are some trades, there is 1 spot open to be had - Z-Bad and Silfverberg I assume will be battling for it, but if anyone takes a night off, they can expect to be replaced quickly. Here's the depth coming up, better play to win every night.

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Then there's the D:

1.Phillips
2.Gonchar
3.Cowen
4.Rundblad
5.Karlsson

So 5 locks and Boroweicki and Gryba fighting for a spot...

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SpezDispenser wrote:
NEELY wrote:The dumbest logic anyone could come up with is "winning isn't good for the team/rebuild/contender/sexual preadtors/nuns/whatever else.

The playoffs are the goal for any team and winning makes any team better in the long run.
I don't love that logic at all. This team should be competing every night.

To further that point, we can all look at it like this:

LOCKS next year (barring trades or poor play):

1.Spezza
2.Greening
3.Michalek
4.Alfredsson
5.Z.Smith
6.Condra
7.Neil
8.Daugavins (believe it!)

Probables:

9.Foligno
10.Da Costa
11.Regin

So...by that count, unless there are some trades, there is 1 spot open to be had - Z-Bad and Silfverberg I assume will be battling for it, but if anyone takes a night off, they can expect to be replaced quickly. Here's the depth coming up, better play to win every night.

As much as we may not want to believe it, Alfie falls into the "probable" category. The chances of him choosing to retire with one year left on his contract get higher with every injury.

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SpezDispenser wrote:
NEELY wrote:The dumbest logic anyone could come up with is "winning isn't good for the team/rebuild/contender/sexual preadtors/nuns/whatever else.

The playoffs are the goal for any team and winning makes any team better in the long run.
I don't love that logic at all. This team should be competing every night.

To further that point, we can all look at it like this:

LOCKS next year (barring trades or poor play):

1.Spezza
2.Greening
3.Michalek
4.Alfredsson
5.Z.Smith
6.Condra
7.Neil
8.Daugavins (believe it!)

Probables:

9.Foligno
10.Da Costa
11.Regin

So...by that count, unless there are some trades, there is 1 spot open to be had - Z-Bad and Silfverberg I assume will be battling for it, but if anyone takes a night off, they can expect to be replaced quickly. Here's the depth coming up, better play to win every night.

Foligno is on the bubble IYO? I'd say he is more likely to be in the lineup than Alfredsson. Can't believe I just said that. Makes me want to Puking2 but there it is. I also see you're missing Butler (who is still under contract). Winchester and Konopka are UFAs so I think they'll be moving along. Carkner, as well, and I think he will be gone, also. They'll never pay him what he could get on the open market. He'd be a great depth guy for a playoff bound team to pick up.


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SpezDispenser wrote:Then there's the D:

1.Phillips
2.Gonchar
3.Cowen
4.Rundblad
5.Karlsson

So 5 locks and Boroweicki and Gryba fighting for a spot...

Strictly from a lefty/righty point of view, I don't see Gryba up here until Gonchar is gone, and I'm not sure how read Borowiecki will be on a contending team.


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wprager wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:
La Femme wrote:Get Rundblad back, Karlsson is not enough.

Yes please.

Do you really think it would have made a difference last night?

In overtime alone it would have made a difference, and in the shootout he's very good too, certainly better than Foligno.
Also, Karlsson played almost 28 min last night, Brian Lee played 14 and 15 mins in the last 2 games in 2 games we lost with abysmal SOG stats.
Rundblad played 18 to 20 minutes during the 6 games winning streak.
So I certainly think it would have made a difference.

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La Femme wrote:
wprager wrote:
SpezDispenser wrote:
La Femme wrote:Get Rundblad back, Karlsson is not enough.

Yes please.

Do you really think it would have made a difference last night?

In overtime alone it would have made a difference, and in the shootout he's very good too, certainly better than Foligno.
Also, Karlsson played almost 28 min last night, Brian Lee played 14 and 15 mins in the last 2 games in 2 games we lost with abysmal SOG stats.
Rundblad played 18 to 20 minutes during the 6 games winning streak.
So I certainly think it would have made a difference.

Don't remind me about the shootout. Phillips would have been a better choice than Foligno.

As for abysmal shots on goal, I don't think you can blame Lee for the team missing the net on 18 shots. Anyhow, the coach obviously wanted Rundblad to observer against two smaller, faster teams.


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By the way, not to say Zibanejad isn't going to turn heads eventually, but going into the draft I was banging my shoe on the table for Couturier. He's got 5 goals (plus 3 assists) and is a +9 in 14 games.

Does anyone know if Zibanejad is eligible for anything after his SEL season is done? Can he play in Bingo?


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Zibanejad could have played in Binghamton this year, so yeah he can play next year in Bingo as well. He doesn't have a SEL contract for next year.

Fact: Sean Couturier has scored 4 out of his 5 goals in garbage time. He scored last night to put the Flyers ahead 6-0, and then again to put them ahead 9-1. He scored against Ottawa to put Phily ahead 5-1. And he scored against the Caps to make the score 5-2 in favour of Washington. He has rarely been on the ice for offensive situations this year. They are making him a penalty killer.

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Peggy wrote:Zibanejad could have played in Binghamton this year, so yeah he can play next year in Bingo as well. He doesn't have a SEL contract for next year.

Fact: Sean Couturier has scored 4 out of his 5 goals in garbage time. He scored last night to put the Flyers ahead 6-0, and then again to put them ahead 9-1. He scored against Ottawa to put Phily ahead 5-1. And he scored against the Caps to make the score 5-2 in favour of Washington. He has rarely been on the ice for offensive situations this year. They are making him a penalty killer.

No, I meant this year -- could he play in Bingo when the SEL season is done? It's only a 55-game season.

As for Couturier, he's putting the puck in the net, as a defensive player. He's showing some skill. He's stuck around on a contending team.

Edit: I really hate saying this, but you could say Zibanejad scored 0 of his 0 goals in game winning situations.


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Yes he could play in Bingo after his SEL season is done.

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wprager wrote:
Peggy wrote:Zibanejad could have played in Binghamton this year, so yeah he can play next year in Bingo as well. He doesn't have a SEL contract for next year.

Fact: Sean Couturier has scored 4 out of his 5 goals in garbage time. He scored last night to put the Flyers ahead 6-0, and then again to put them ahead 9-1. He scored against Ottawa to put Phily ahead 5-1. And he scored against the Caps to make the score 5-2 in favour of Washington. He has rarely been on the ice for offensive situations this year. They are making him a penalty killer.

No, I meant this year -- could he play in Bingo when the SEL season is done? It's only a 55-game season.

As for Couturier, he's putting the puck in the net, as a defensive player. He's showing some skill. He's stuck around on a contending team.

Edit: I really hate saying this, but you could say Zibanejad scored 0 of his 0 goals in game winning situations.

Nah he's not shown any offensive burst at all (Couturier I mean). That team is stacked, I mean Maxime Talbot also has 8 pts...

The only guy who is really tearing it from that draft is the 1st overall pick. He's the definition of "making guys around better" and probably the MVP on the offense already.

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spader wrote:As much as we may not want to believe it, Alfie falls into the "probable" category. The chances of him choosing to retire with one year left on his contract get higher with every injury.

With the way he looked early this season, I think he could play strictly PP and be effective. Sprinkle in some 5 on 5 time and I really think he'll come back, I simply don't see he wouldn't unless his back acts up IMO.

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wprager wrote:
Foligno is on the bubble IYO? I'd say he is more likely to be in the lineup than Alfredsson. Can't believe I just said that. Makes me want to Puking2 but there it is. I also see you're missing Butler (who is still under contract). Winchester and Konopka are UFAs so I think they'll be moving along. Carkner, as well, and I think he will be gone, also. They'll never pay him what he could get on the open market. He'd be a great depth guy for a playoff bound team to pick up.

I think Foligno's on the bubble here, yeah. Where does he fit into all of this? I guess he could play on the 3rd line with Z.Smith and Condra, but then that shifts Daugavins to the 4th - and I'm not sure that's the right thing to do. We'll see I guess...

I did forget Butler, I guess....he hasn't impressed any of us really - although he's been better since returning from injury. I'd say he has a less than stellar chance of being on next year's team.

As for Winchester, I think Mac likes him a lot, so that could change his status and earn him another contract if he wants to stay. If nothing more, I'd keep him as a reserve forward, those kind of hard-working, pluggers are really important.

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