New Sens Logo/Jersey

rooneypoo wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

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Big Ev wrote:

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Big Ev wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:@6thSens @silversevensens it's a fake shoulder patch - i saw it last night but didn't publish cuz not legit - ive seen real 1 - no O

There will be an O on the front of the jersey.

No decision, however stupid, will surprise me when it comes to this organization's PR, marketing, and design people, but with respect to the rumoured "0" jersey... I'll believe it (and despair) only when I see it.

Look at the teaser they have shown. It's pretty easy to see there will be an O on the front, and that's what the fans want. They are listening to the fans for a change.

It's the blind leading the blind. What they need is a real marketing / design team who knows what they're doing. I.e., professionals who know that big, naked, happy Spartans ranting incoherently for a full 2-3 minutes isn't a really good way to sell a hockey team.

The average, for any team, is generally stupid. Casual hockey fans in general are stupid when it comes to hockey. I trust their opinion on these matters even less than I do their hockey opinions.

So you're saying you're an expert on design and such?

PS That Spartan decision apparenlty came from the top.

I have a few friends who run a design company. All they do is laugh at the ineptness of the Sens marketing and design people -- and these are casual Ottawa Sens fans we're talking about here.

Are they experts because they run a design company?

Ummm... Yes. If design experts are experts at design, I don't know who is. This isn't your mom & pop show I'm talking about here.

Source?

Big Ev wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:@6thSens @silversevensens it's a fake shoulder patch - i saw it last night but didn't publish cuz not legit - ive seen real 1 - no O

There will be an O on the front of the jersey.

No decision, however stupid, will surprise me when it comes to this organization's PR, marketing, and design people, but with respect to the rumoured "0" jersey... I'll believe it (and despair) only when I see it.

Look at the teaser they have shown. It's pretty easy to see there will be an O on the front, and that's what the fans want. They are listening to the fans for a change.

It's the blind leading the blind. What they need is a real marketing / design team who knows what they're doing. I.e., professionals who know that big, naked, happy Spartans ranting incoherently for a full 2-3 minutes isn't a really good way to sell a hockey team.

The average, for any team, is generally stupid. Casual hockey fans in general are stupid when it comes to hockey. I trust their opinion on these matters even less than I do their hockey opinions.

So you're saying you're an expert on design and such?

PS That Spartan decision apparenlty came from the top.

I have a few friends who run a design company. All they do is laugh at the ineptness of the Sens marketing and design people -- and these are casual Ottawa Sens fans we're talking about here.

Are they experts because they run a design company?

Ummm... Yes. If design experts are experts at design, I don't know who is. This isn't your mom & pop show I'm talking about here.

Source?

Common sense?

rooneypoo wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:@6thSens @silversevensens it's a fake shoulder patch - i saw it last night but didn't publish cuz not legit - ive seen real 1 - no O

There will be an O on the front of the jersey.

No decision, however stupid, will surprise me when it comes to this organization's PR, marketing, and design people, but with respect to the rumoured "0" jersey... I'll believe it (and despair) only when I see it.

Look at the teaser they have shown. It's pretty easy to see there will be an O on the front, and that's what the fans want. They are listening to the fans for a change.

It's the blind leading the blind. What they need is a real marketing / design team who knows what they're doing. I.e., professionals who know that big, naked, happy Spartans ranting incoherently for a full 2-3 minutes isn't a really good way to sell a hockey team.

The average, for any team, is generally stupid. Casual hockey fans in general are stupid when it comes to hockey. I trust their opinion on these matters even less than I do their hockey opinions.

So you're saying you're an expert on design and such?

PS That Spartan decision apparenlty came from the top.

I have a few friends who run a design company. All they do is laugh at the ineptness of the Sens marketing and design people -- and these are casual Ottawa Sens fans we're talking about here.

Are they experts because they run a design company?

Ummm... Yes. If design experts are experts at design, I don't know who is. This isn't your mom & pop show I'm talking about here.

Source?

Common sense?

Confirmed!

Wow this is a lot of quoted posts!

Big Ev wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:@6thSens @silversevensens it's a fake shoulder patch - i saw it last night but didn't publish cuz not legit - ive seen real 1 - no O

There will be an O on the front of the jersey.

No decision, however stupid, will surprise me when it comes to this organization's PR, marketing, and design people, but with respect to the rumoured "0" jersey... I'll believe it (and despair) only when I see it.

Look at the teaser they have shown. It's pretty easy to see there will be an O on the front, and that's what the fans want. They are listening to the fans for a change.

It's the blind leading the blind. What they need is a real marketing / design team who knows what they're doing. I.e., professionals who know that big, naked, happy Spartans ranting incoherently for a full 2-3 minutes isn't a really good way to sell a hockey team.

The average, for any team, is generally stupid. Casual hockey fans in general are stupid when it comes to hockey. I trust their opinion on these matters even less than I do their hockey opinions.

So you're saying you're an expert on design and such?

PS That Spartan decision apparenlty came from the top.

I have a few friends who run a design company. All they do is laugh at the ineptness of the Sens marketing and design people -- and these are casual Ottawa Sens fans we're talking about here.

Are they experts because they run a design company?

Ummm... Yes. If design experts are experts at design, I don't know who is. This isn't your mom & pop show I'm talking about here.

Source?

Common sense?

Confirmed!

Wow this is a lot of quoted posts!

Source?

Hmm, I wonder what happens if I scroll this ... both ways!

Big Ev wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:@6thSens @silversevensens it's a fake shoulder patch - i saw it last night but didn't publish cuz not legit - ive seen real 1 - no O

There will be an O on the front of the jersey.

No decision, however stupid, will surprise me when it comes to this organization's PR, marketing, and design people, but with respect to the rumoured "0" jersey... I'll believe it (and despair) only when I see it.

Look at the teaser they have shown. It's pretty easy to see there will be an O on the front, and that's what the fans want. They are listening to the fans for a change.

It's the blind leading the blind. What they need is a real marketing / design team who knows what they're doing. I.e., professionals who know that big, naked, happy Spartans ranting incoherently for a full 2-3 minutes isn't a really good way to sell a hockey team.

The average, for any team, is generally stupid. Casual hockey fans in general are stupid when it comes to hockey. I trust their opinion on these matters even less than I do their hockey opinions.

So you're saying you're an expert on design and such?

PS That Spartan decision apparenlty came from the top.

I have a few friends who run a design company. All they do is laugh at the ineptness of the Sens marketing and design people -- and these are casual Ottawa Sens fans we're talking about here.

Are they experts because they run a design company?

Ummm... Yes. If design experts are experts at design, I don't know who is. This isn't your mom & pop show I'm talking about here.

Source?

Common sense?

Confirmed!

Wow this is a lot of quoted posts!

Not quite as epic as I'd hoped.

That's like the scroll from Star Wars.

What if you tried it with some extra spaces to open up the text box a bit?

wprager wrote:Hmm, I wonder what happens if I scroll this ... both ways!

Big Ev wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:@6thSens @silversevensens it's a fake shoulder patch - i saw it last night but didn't publish cuz not legit - ive seen real 1 - no O

There will be an O on the front of the jersey.

No decision, however stupid, will surprise me when it comes to this organization's PR, marketing, and design people, but with respect to the rumoured "0" jersey... I'll believe it (and despair) only when I see it.

Look at the teaser they have shown. It's pretty easy to see there will be an O on the front, and that's what the fans want. They are listening to the fans for a change.

It's the blind leading the blind. What they need is a real marketing / design team who knows what they're doing. I.e., professionals who know that big, naked, happy Spartans ranting incoherently for a full 2-3 minutes isn't a really good way to sell a hockey team.

The average, for any team, is generally stupid. Casual hockey fans in general are stupid when it comes to hockey. I trust their opinion on these matters even less than I do their hockey opinions.

So you're saying you're an expert on design and such?

PS That Spartan decision apparenlty came from the top.

I have a few friends who run a design company. All they do is laugh at the ineptness of the Sens marketing and design people -- and these are casual Ottawa Sens fans we're talking about here.

Are they experts because they run a design company?

Ummm... Yes. If design experts are experts at design, I don't know who is. This isn't your mom & pop show I'm talking about here.

Source?

Common sense?

Confirmed!

Wow this is a lot of quoted posts!

Any extra epic-ness?

spader wrote:What if you tried it with some extra spaces to open up the text box a bit?

Nope.
Source?
Confirmed!

How's this logo rooney?

FYI i think it's boring but it's just a patch so no biggie

Big Ev wrote:

How's this logo rooney?

FYI i think it's boring but it's just a patch so no biggie

Too much going on there for a patch. That centurion head would be the size of a loonie or twoonie on a patch. Otherwise, yea, boring, but whatever. It's the right idea -- use the patches to acknowledge stuff like this -- the 20th anniversary, the pre-modern Sens franchise, etc. But not the front logo.

The whole point of making a new third is to have it be a "heritage" jersey. if you're not going to have the front logo have any ties to your heritage, then it's not really a heritage jersey IMO.

and you pretty much have to have a logo in your patch, it's size shouldn't be an issue. The Sharks are currently using a patch on their arms which has thier logo in between two X's.

Big Ev wrote: The whole point of making a new third is to have it be a "heritage" jersey. if you're not going to have the front logo have any ties to your heritage, then it's not really a heritage jersey IMO.

and you pretty much have to have a logo in your patch, it's size shouldn't be an issue. The Sharks are currently using a patch on their arms which has thier logo in between two X's.

1. It is? That comes as news to me -- certainly the SNES logo wasn't very retro. Has someone official said this, or is it just speculation?

2. The point of the patch is that it's supposed to be different from the logo. No need to replicate that same image, but smaller, on an already small image -- it's bad design and overkill. Pick just about any team and you'll see how this is most often the case.

Patches are small and have to be simple to be effective. The "O" is actually a really sharp, effective patch, if you ask me -- largely because it's simple, uncomplicated -- I just hate it as a front logo. The more crap going on on a patch, the less effective it is generally. Same with a logo, actually. The more detailed, the worse they look. It's why that original (modern-day) Sens logo wasn't a very good idea. Look at that thing:

http://www.icejerseys.com/images/jerseys_big/O_Senators_H.gif

From a distance, it looks like something I coughed up. There's nothing instantaneous about the way to engages your eye. The most effective, memorable logos are a lot more simple and so engaging. Look at the longstanding appeal of the Canadiens' or the Leafs' logos. The Flames one is a good one, too.

rooneypoo wrote:

Big Ev wrote: The whole point of making a new third is to have it be a "heritage" jersey. if you're not going to have the front logo have any ties to your heritage, then it's not really a heritage jersey IMO.

and you pretty much have to have a logo in your patch, it's size shouldn't be an issue. The Sharks are currently using a patch on their arms which has thier logo in between two X's.

1. It is? That comes as news to me -- certainly the SNES logo wasn't very retro. Has someone official said this, or is it just speculation?

2. The point of the patch is that it's supposed to be different from the logo. No need to replicate that same image, but smaller, on an already small image -- it's bad design and overkill. Pick just about any team and you'll see how this is most often the case.

Patches are small and have to be simple to be effective. The "O" is actually a really sharp, effective patch, if you ask me -- largely because it's simple, uncomplicated -- I just hate it as a front logo. The more crap going on on a patch, the less effective it is generally. Same with a logo, actually. The more detailed, the worse they look. It's why that original (modern-day) Sens logo wasn't a very good idea. Look at that thing:

http://www.icejerseys.com/images/jerseys_big/O_Senators_H.gif

From a distance, it looks like something I coughed up. There's nothing instantaneous about the way to engages your eye. The most effective, memorable logos are a lot more simple and so engaging. Look at the longstanding appeal of the Canadiens' or the Leafs' logos. The Flames one is a good one, too.

Not the SNES jersey, THIS one is being made into a retro to coincide with the 20th anniversary.

You're right, the patch will be different from our O logo which will be on our heritage thirds. If you look around the league though, every patch has the team's primary logo for the most part.

As for your last point, that's why the O is such a good logo (for a primary logo not only a patch). Best logo we have. Simple, rustic, yes.

Big Ev wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Big Ev wrote: The whole point of making a new third is to have it be a "heritage" jersey. if you're not going to have the front logo have any ties to your heritage, then it's not really a heritage jersey IMO.

and you pretty much have to have a logo in your patch, it's size shouldn't be an issue. The Sharks are currently using a patch on their arms which has thier logo in between two X's.

1. It is? That comes as news to me -- certainly the SNES logo wasn't very retro. Has someone official said this, or is it just speculation?

2. The point of the patch is that it's supposed to be different from the logo. No need to replicate that same image, but smaller, on an already small image -- it's bad design and overkill. Pick just about any team and you'll see how this is most often the case.

Patches are small and have to be simple to be effective. The "O" is actually a really sharp, effective patch, if you ask me -- largely because it's simple, uncomplicated -- I just hate it as a front logo. The more crap going on on a patch, the less effective it is generally. Same with a logo, actually. The more detailed, the worse they look. It's why that original (modern-day) Sens logo wasn't a very good idea. Look at that thing:

http://www.icejerseys.com/images/jerseys_big/O_Senators_H.gif

From a distance, it looks like something I coughed up. There's nothing instantaneous about the way to engages your eye. The most effective, memorable logos are a lot more simple and so engaging. Look at the longstanding appeal of the Canadiens' or the Leafs' logos. The Flames one is a good one, too.

[1] Not the SNES jersey, THIS one is being made into a retro to coincide with the 20th anniversary.

You're right, the patch will be different from our O logo which will be on our heritage thirds. [2] If you look around the league though, every patch has the team's primary logo for the most part.

As for your last point, that's why the O is such a good logo (for a primary logo not only a patch). Best logo we have. [3] Simple, rustic, yes.

[1] Source?

[2] Just the opposite is the case. Teams almost never duplicate the main logo in the patch. The SJ example you mention is largely the exception -- and it's only true of the old jerseys. The ones they're wearing right now have the "SJ" on the shoulder, with a small shark fin in the corner.

http://cdn1.iofferphoto.com/img/item/189/337/100/g_6UN3.jpg

[3] The O has everything going for it, except that it looks like a big fat 0. It's an unfortunate circumstance, but there it is. Fielding a team of 0s is just not a good idea.

I'm not sure I get your point about the original (2D) logo. I love that thing and the only thing stopping me from buying that jersey a while back was that the logo is too small. Spending all that money I want it to have some pop.

Although I love the Habs (not the current edition, but in a nostalgic way) I never was enamored with their logo. Boston, Detroit, Philly -- very nicely done. A lot of people put Chicago up among the top and it's about as un-simple as you can get.

Or did you mean simplicity in the number of colors used? I remember when the Expos were still around people made fun of their tri-colored caps. Boston (gold/black/white), Detroit (red/white), Philly (orange/black/white) are all a single color (plus black and/or white).

rooneypoo wrote:

Big Ev wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Big Ev wrote: The whole point of making a new third is to have it be a "heritage" jersey. if you're not going to have the front logo have any ties to your heritage, then it's not really a heritage jersey IMO.

and you pretty much have to have a logo in your patch, it's size shouldn't be an issue. The Sharks are currently using a patch on their arms which has thier logo in between two X's.

1. It is? That comes as news to me -- certainly the SNES logo wasn't very retro. Has someone official said this, or is it just speculation?

2. The point of the patch is that it's supposed to be different from the logo. No need to replicate that same image, but smaller, on an already small image -- it's bad design and overkill. Pick just about any team and you'll see how this is most often the case.

Patches are small and have to be simple to be effective. The "O" is actually a really sharp, effective patch, if you ask me -- largely because it's simple, uncomplicated -- I just hate it as a front logo. The more crap going on on a patch, the less effective it is generally. Same with a logo, actually. The more detailed, the worse they look. It's why that original (modern-day) Sens logo wasn't a very good idea. Look at that thing:

http://www.icejerseys.com/images/jerseys_big/O_Senators_H.gif

From a distance, it looks like something I coughed up. There's nothing instantaneous about the way to engages your eye. The most effective, memorable logos are a lot more simple and so engaging. Look at the longstanding appeal of the Canadiens' or the Leafs' logos. The Flames one is a good one, too.

[1] Not the SNES jersey, THIS one is being made into a retro to coincide with the 20th anniversary.

You're right, the patch will be different from our O logo which will be on our heritage thirds. [2] If you look around the league though, every patch has the team's primary logo for the most part.

As for your last point, that's why the O is such a good logo (for a primary logo not only a patch). Best logo we have. [3] Simple, rustic, yes.

[1] Source?

[2] Just the opposite is the case. Teams almost never duplicate the main logo in the patch. The SJ example you mention is largely the exception -- and it's only true of the old jerseys. The ones they're wearing right now have the "SJ" on the shoulder, with a small shark fin in the corner.

http://cdn1.iofferphoto.com/img/item/189/337/100/g_6UN3.jpg

[3] The O has everything going for it, except that it looks like a big fat 0. It's an unfortunate circumstance, but there it is. Fielding a team of 0s is just not a good idea.

[1] They have said this on different occasions. They confirmed it was a "heritage" jersey on the season ticket conference call they had about a month or so ago. Check out this link: http://senators.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=554819.

Senators heritage jersey: The Senators will introduce a new third jersey, a heritage jersey in recognition of early-era teams.

[2] Most anniversarypatches that I have seen have the primary logo on them. I'm not talking about a regular shoulder patch like the SJ one you showed. Here's some anniversary patches:







<----That one is freaking lame though, who celebrates 5 years?