Sens Roster 2011/12

NEELY wrote:Foligno is a 3rd line winger to be sure, maybe 2nd line with a little luck and a couple more years in the league. Regin is a tweener in the sense he's a tweener between the AHl and NHL. He's going to get every chance to succeed next year but there is going to be 3 or 4 guys ready to take his spot if he slips up.

The college kids can play 3rd and 4th line roles in The NHL and probably will. You can move those guys all around the bottom 6 and they will contribute.

Like you have your favourite in Condra, I have a favourite in Greening. I think he can be a 2nd line player on this team, but I'm not in a position to assess him the way Murray and co. can. I think if you can put a line out there of Greening/Landeskog or RNH/Alfredsson, you can have some success. The issue is, will Greening provide enough offense considering we're thin on that to begin with? If the answer is no, then let him play on line 3 or 4 and move him up when/if injuries occur and sign 1 player: Brooks Laich. If he's off the market, then you re-assess, but that's the type of player that could play with either RNH or Landeskog and Alfie and have instant success IMO.

I still have hopes for Regin he can contribute well if he is put in the situation like Butler, greening and COndra, played a speedy transition game. Problem was Kovalev was too inconsistant and FIsher had no vision.
After what happened this year, I ll wait til all these young guys are put in pressure environment to get excited.

marakh wrote:I still have hopes for Regin he can contribute well if he is put in the situation like Butler, greening and COndra, played a speedy transition game. Problem was Kovalev was too inconsistant and FIsher had no vision.
After what happened this year, I ll wait til all these young guys are put in pressure environment to get excited.

I still have faith in Regin as well, he had a rough year, but through it all I still found he battled well and played a responsible game. He'll need to find offense in a hurry right out of camp though, too many players coming up through the ranks who'll want his job badly.

I just saw a lot of things in Regin's game that I dislike a large amount this year, it went beyond bad stats. The work ethic I thought was lacking on a lot of nights and for a borderline NHL player who has proved nothing, that just sounds the alarm bell to me.

His perimeter play is discouraging, he seems afraid of the physicality in front of the net and in the slot, he settles for shots from the boards and off the rush.

Now his injury will effect the way he plays I'm sure because if he was afraid before it wont change. Looking at how he came into camp this pas season, if he puts anythign resembling that kind work he put in last off season, his stay in Ottawa will be in question to say the least. I don't think he is in the organization come 12/13.

NEELY wrote:I just saw a lot of things in Regin's game that I dislike a large amount this year, it went beyond bad stats. The work ethic I thought was lacking on a lot of nights and for a borderline NHL player who has proved nothing, that just sounds the alarm bell to me.

His perimeter play is discouraging, he seems afraid of the physicality in front of the net and in the slot, he settles for shots from the boards and off the rush.

Now his injury will effect the way he plays I'm sure because if he was afraid before it wont change. Looking at how he came into camp this pas season, if he puts anythign resembling that kind work he put in last off season, his stay in Ottawa will be in question to say the least. I don't think he is in the organization come 12/13.

I can't defend Regin too much, but I can say that I saw the same tendencies with Foligno as mentioned here about Regin.

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:I just saw a lot of things in Regin's game that I dislike a large amount this year, it went beyond bad stats. The work ethic I thought was lacking on a lot of nights and for a borderline NHL player who has proved nothing, that just sounds the alarm bell to me.

His perimeter play is discouraging, he seems afraid of the physicality in front of the net and in the slot, he settles for shots from the boards and off the rush.

Now his injury will effect the way he plays I'm sure because if he was afraid before it wont change. Looking at how he came into camp this pas season, if he puts anythign resembling that kind work he put in last off season, his stay in Ottawa will be in question to say the least. I don't think he is in the organization come 12/13.

I can't defend Regin too much, but I can say that I saw the same tendencies with Foligno as mentioned here about Regin.

Most of Foligno's goals are scored in high traffic area's and plugging away, exactly what Regin doesn't do and it's exactly the reason Foligno's early season slump become a thing of the past... Regin not so much.

Also, Foligno came into camp in the best shape I have ever seen him and had a great camp because of it.

NEELY wrote:
Most of Foligno's goals are scored in high traffic area's and plugging away, exactly what Regin doesn't do and it's exactly the reason Foligno's early season slump become a thing of the past... Regin not so much.

Also, Foligno came into camp in the best shape I have ever seen him and had a great camp because of it.

Surely you've noticed the same things as I have. He's aggressive at times, seemingly lackadaisical other times, his goal scoring consistency is out the window - who knows if he can even score at this level? Was his first year where he flirted with 20 for real, or was that a kid playing over his head?

The one thing I would advise to him is to be harder on the puck at *all* times, or he'll risk being left behind by any of Greening, Condra, Silfverberg, Stone in 3 years and probably one or more of our 11 picks this year.

In short, he's a guy who needs to get to that next level next year, come out and be a dangerous forward for this club. He's got the right attitude, he's got the body for it, now he needs to put it together, or I think he might suffer a similar fate to Regin as you suggested - off our roster in 2 years.

Foligno may top out at a 3rd line winger which he is probably suited to do anyways, probably where his skill level tops out at and he plays the type of game a 3rd line forward does.

Regin as he sits right now has as many goals as Foligno had in one season... it's not even close who the better player is at this point and Foligno also has a noticable larger amount of work ethic and grit on the ice. Teams have all day for guys who work thier asses off and contribute on the 3rd and 4th line, not so much with guys with high end skill who refuse to do the things needed to win. That's the difference.

NEELY wrote:Foligno may top out at a 3rd line winger which he is probably suited to do anyways, probably where his skill level tops out at and he plays the type of game a 3rd line forward does.

Regin as he sits right now has as many goals as Foligno had in one season... it's not even close who the better player is at this point and Foligno also has a noticable larger amount of work ethic and grit on the ice. Teams have all day for guys who work thier asses off and contribute on the 3rd and 4th line, not so much with guys with high end skill who refuse to do the things needed to win. That's the difference.

If there's a knock on Regin, it's that he doesn't drive the net, but if you're speaking strictly of work ethic, I thought Regin worked his arse off every shift. I personally didn't think that was the issue at all, I think the issue is/was that as smart a player as Regin is, his body type is not that of a bottom 6 guy, so if he misses the cut as a top 6, he might be in tough.

Just becuase you are skating fast doesn't mean you are working hard. He avoids the front of the net, he's usually 2nd going into the corners and along the boards for pucks, and he bails on the cycle when he is about to get hit or he will get rid of the puck before another option opens up.

He will literally skate in circles with the puck if it means not having to go in and face physical players on the other team for the most part, him injuring his shoulder will not help with that mind set either.

After the playoffs I thought The Sens had something like most people but I feel pretty confident in saying it's not a top 6 forward and it's not a guy that will make any kind of lasting impact in Ottawa.

I'll have to watch him even more closely when he returns because I recall him being someone who at least tries to play along the boards.

SpezDispenser wrote:I'll have to watch him even more closely when he returns because I recall him being someone who at least tries to play along the boards.

He cycles the puck but he still bails out a lot when he sees of feels a big hit coming. Again, never the 1st player in there and always looks for the easy way to get things done.

Foligno on the 3rd line is perfectly fine. Chicagos, Detroits and the Vancouvers of the world have their 3rd line guys scoring 15-20 goals a year. That's when you know you have a good team. I think in this new NHL you'd better have 3 scoring lines (more like 1 top line and 2 second lines) and just one last line who's gonna crash the net and check left and right.

NEELY wrote:
He cycles the puck but he still bails out a lot when he sees of feels a big hit coming. Again, never the 1st player in there and always looks for the easy way to get things done.

While I didn't really notice that, I'd say the writing's on the wall for Regin. He sees guys like Butler, Greening, Condra, heard about Silfverberg, knows there's a huge draft pick coming, plus another 1st rounder that will likely be a prize prospect and Stone getting 100+ points in the WHL and so on...

If he doesn't take the initiative to build his core up initially, then work on his upper body, he's in deeeeep trouble - and as a big fan of the kid, I'd be the first to admit that openly.

I think Regin + Foligno can *both* carve out excellent niches as 3rd line players - they even seem to compliment themselves nicely, but both have a ton of work to do still.

marakh wrote:Foligno on the 3rd line is perfectly fine. Chicagos, Detroits and the Vancouvers of the world have their 3rd line guys scoring 15-20 goals a year. That's when you know you have a good team. I think in this new NHL you'd better have 3 scoring lines (more like 1 top line and 2 second lines) and just one last line who's gonna crash the net and check left and right.

Yeah, definitely agree. I want 3 lines that can provide offense, with the 3rd line having a little more size to it. Ideally, Foligno with Z.Smith and Greening or something of the sort.

SpezDispenser wrote:

marakh wrote:Foligno on the 3rd line is perfectly fine. Chicagos, Detroits and the Vancouvers of the world have their 3rd line guys scoring 15-20 goals a year. That's when you know you have a good team. I think in this new NHL you'd better have 3 scoring lines (more like 1 top line and 2 second lines) and just one last line who's gonna crash the net and check left and right.

Yeah, definitely agree. I want 3 lines that can provide offense, with the 3rd line having a little more size to it. Ideally, Foligno with Z.Smith and Greening or something of the sort.

I'm also hoping WIck or Hoffman can improve enough to get there. MArk Stone too. Not sure Zack Smith is smart enough to play 3rd line center. Hopefully Hoffman gets bigger, and fast.

marakh wrote:
I'm also hoping WIck or Hoffman can improve enough to get there. MArk Stone too. Not sure Zack Smith is smart enough to play 3rd line center. Hopefully Hoffman gets bigger, and fast.

Mark Stone will be a nice 3rd liner in a couple of years IMO. Hoffman needs to bulk up in a big, big way. It's an eye-opener for some of these guys going from junior to the pros I'm sure and Hoffman was/is in over his head. The good news is he's apparently been steadily improving and a summer under Schwartz working to get bigger and faster will go a long way. Hopefully he shows up to camp next year in great condition and makes the B-Sens on one of the top 2 lines, from there it's just a question of continuing to work to get a shot in the NHL - which I think he will at some point.

Wick I definitely give credit to, he worked very hard to be called up to the NHL, but he's got another year+ in the AHL, so here's to hoping he stays in NA.

We're starting to get some depth, slowly but surely. It's great.