Chris Kelly Traded to Boston for 2nd Round Draft Pick

SpezDispenser wrote:

SensFan71 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:^ Sounds about right, except, I think Huberdou (big time sp) has climbed to around 5th.

wish we could get another top 10 pick and grab Huberdu as well, have heard good things about him, and unfortunately, haven't made it to any q games this year to see him up close and personal.

I just wish we could get another top 10 pick period.

agreed, but well, since the draft is a long ways off, will be wearing out my ps3 playing games until that comes, heart hasn't been in it to watch the games this year, been disappointed the few times I did watch

SpezDispenser wrote:

SensFan71 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:^ Sounds about right, except, I think Huberdou (big time sp) has climbed to around 5th.

wish we could get another top 10 pick and grab Huberdu as well, have heard good things about him, and unfortunately, haven't made it to any q games this year to see him up close and personal.

I just wish we could get another top 10 pick period.

spezza or karlsson is the only way

is runblad as good as karlsson???

would anyone trade karlsson if it meant we get larsson and nugent hopkins (to ottawa 2nd overall pick, to edmonton karlsson)

I know it won't happen but would you even consider it??

111519 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

SensFan71 wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:^ Sounds about right, except, I think Huberdou (big time sp) has climbed to around 5th.

wish we could get another top 10 pick and grab Huberdu as well, have heard good things about him, and unfortunately, haven't made it to any q games this year to see him up close and personal.

I just wish we could get another top 10 pick period.

spezza or karlsson is the only way

is runblad as good as karlsson???

would anyone trade karlsson if it meant we get larsson and nugent hopkins (to ottawa 2nd overall pick, to edmonton karlsson)

I know it won't happen but would you even consider it??

I personally wouldn't, like Karlsson's game too much, and those little mistakes he make now, those will go away with experience.

i wouldnt either but having RNH, Larsson, Rundblad, and Cowen as the beginning of a rebuild is a pretty good start...

Holy crap, I'm a couple of pages behind -- now way I'll catch up, so I'll just say this:

First Fisher, now Kelly. Quick, someone get Kuba a #32 jersey!!!

After seeing what the Sens obtained in return for Fisher, I mentioned that anyone that thinks this will be a quick rebuild is sadly mistaken.

That comment wasn't very well recieved by GMHockey members at the time.

After seeing this nonsensical Kelly trade, does anyone want to convince me that Ottawa is planning on making the playoffs within the next 2 years? After trading Kelly for another faceless player, I may even change my original thought process of 3-5 to around 4-5 years before Ottawa even sniffs playoff hockey again.

CockRoche wrote:After seeing what the Sens obtained in return for Fisher, I mentioned that anyone that thinks this will be a quick rebuild is sadly mistaken.

That comment wasn't very well recieved by GMHockey members at the time.

After seeing this nonsensical Kelly trade, does anyone want to convince me that Ottawa is planning on making the playoffs within the next 2 years? After trading Kelly for another faceless player, I may even change my original thought process of 3-5 to around 4-5 years before Ottawa even sniffs playoff hockey again.

I guess we'll see. Obviously a lot of ifs here, but what if Regin shows more of what he had last year -- there's our 2nd line center. And Smith can take over for Kelly. Sure, he's not going to be as smart defensively, but he's got better hands and size. I really liked how Butler has played, and he started scoring recently. Add GL in the draft and you, essentially, replace Fisher, Kelly and Kovalev with Regin, Butler and Landeskog -- in no particular order. Maybe even more, if they can bundle some of those extra picks into another top-five.

I'm not suggesting that lineup (with rookies Cowen and Rundblad) will make the playoffs next year, but are you suggesting that, with two full seasons under their belts (i.e. in the 3rd year of the rebuild) they will not be better than the sorry bunch from last year? When we were the 5th seed in the East?

Don't forget that, with a terrible start by Kuba (actually his "start" was better than when he actually started playing), Gonchar and Phillips plus the terrible goaltending, we were still within reach of 8th before Spezza went down. Replace "terrible goaltending" with a true starter (we have the cap) and I don't see why this lineup with the expected changes does not get to the post-season.

CockRoche wrote:After seeing what the Sens obtained in return for Fisher, I mentioned that anyone that thinks this will be a quick rebuild is sadly mistaken.

That comment wasn't very well recieved by GMHockey members at the time.

After seeing this nonsensical Kelly trade, does anyone want to convince me that Ottawa is planning on making the playoffs within the next 2 years? After trading Kelly for another faceless player, I may even change my original thought process of 3-5 to around 4-5 years before Ottawa even sniffs playoff hockey again.

Calm down.

CockRoche wrote:After seeing what the Sens obtained in return for Fisher, I mentioned that anyone that thinks this will be a quick rebuild is sadly mistaken.

That comment wasn't very well recieved by GMHockey members at the time.

After seeing this nonsensical Kelly trade, does anyone want to convince me that Ottawa is planning on making the playoffs within the next 2 years? After trading Kelly for another faceless player, I may even change my original thought process of 3-5 to around 4-5 years before Ottawa even sniffs playoff hockey again.

After this trade. No.

We'll have a better idea by July 2, though.

wprager wrote:

CockRoche wrote:After seeing what the Sens obtained in return for Fisher, I mentioned that anyone that thinks this will be a quick rebuild is sadly mistaken.

That comment wasn't very well recieved by GMHockey members at the time.

After seeing this nonsensical Kelly trade, does anyone want to convince me that Ottawa is planning on making the playoffs within the next 2 years? After trading Kelly for another faceless player, I may even change my original thought process of 3-5 to around 4-5 years before Ottawa even sniffs playoff hockey again.

I guess we'll see. Obviously a lot of ifs here, but what if Regin shows more of what he had last year -- there's our 2nd line center. And Smith can take over for Kelly. Sure, he's not going to be as smart defensively, but he's got better hands and size. I really liked how Butler has played, and he started scoring recently. Add GL in the draft and you, essentially, replace Fisher, Kelly and Kovalev with Regin, Butler and Landeskog -- in no particular order. Maybe even more, if they can bundle some of those extra picks into another top-five.

I'm not suggesting that lineup (with rookies Cowen and Rundblad) will make the playoffs next year, but are you suggesting that, with two full seasons under their belts (i.e. in the 3rd year of the rebuild) they will not be better than the sorry bunch from last year? When we were the 5th seed in the East?

Don't forget that, with a terrible start by Kuba (actually his "start" was better than when he actually started playing), Gonchar and Phillips plus the terrible goaltending, we were still within reach of 8th before Spezza went down. Replace "terrible goaltending" with a true starter (we have the cap) and I don't see why this lineup with the expected changes does not get to the post-season.

If, if, if.

I deal with what we have right now. At this moment, we just traded Fisher and the under-rated in every aspect of hockey, Kelly, for nothing. Nameless and faceless players.

Cap space de damned, there are no realistic UFA's in this years crop - Richards excluded - that make us any better IMO.

FYI, you won't get much positive out of me today. I am angry and upset; it is a sad day.

Murray needs to seperate himself from these upcoming trades; and that is coming from a guy that supports him staying as GM. That doesn't change the fact that he has no clue how to win a trade, or even break even, for that matter.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

CockRoche wrote:After seeing what the Sens obtained in return for Fisher, I mentioned that anyone that thinks this will be a quick rebuild is sadly mistaken.

That comment wasn't very well recieved by GMHockey members at the time.

After seeing this nonsensical Kelly trade, does anyone want to convince me that Ottawa is planning on making the playoffs within the next 2 years? After trading Kelly for another faceless player, I may even change my original thought process of 3-5 to around 4-5 years before Ottawa even sniffs playoff hockey again.

After this trade. No.

We'll have a better idea by July 2, though.

You are right, UFA's will be knocking on Scotiabank Place's doors to sign with Ottawa. Richards, Vokoun, Bryzgalov, Lidstrom, Bieksa, Glencross and Talbot, I assume.

I could be wrong.

SDH89 wrote:I have a feeling we'll see Neil on the move as well, now.

I bet he is scared Dung of that exact thing.

He doesn't deserve to feel like that after all he has done and continues to do for Ottawa.

Neither does Phillips.

Business is business I guess. At least Fisher chose his destination and Phillips is allowed to as well.

Bass Destruction wrote:

SDH89 wrote:I have a feeling we'll see Neil on the move as well, now.

God, I hope not!

Don't we all.

I am at a loss to try and figure this out and I like to think that I usually have a pretty good feel for the Sens and hockey in general. I didn't see the need to get rid of Fisher and Kelly and receive nothing known, in return.

Roche we are moving salary (more for Melnyk's benefit than the team's) and making room on the roster for some rookies to step in.

Some of it is business, some if it is a housecleaning after an awful season.

Personally I am all for it, at this point I would rather make drastic changes rather than keep tinkering with a core of players that is clearly not working out for us.

If it means moving out some popular players for little more than draft picks than so be it.

Hoags wrote:Roche we are moving salary (more for Melnyk's benefit than the team's) and making room on the roster for some rookies to step in.

Some of it is business, some if it is a housecleaning after an awful season.

Personally I am all for it, at this point I would rather make drastic changes rather than keep tinkering with a core of players that is clearly not working out for us.

If it means moving out some popular players for little more than draft picks than so be it.

I am just starting to read from page one of this thread and was shocked to see that I, almost fully, disagree with you and your opinion of the quality of these trades.

I agree with why the trades are happening, we all understand the premise of the moves. What I don't get currently, is the need to make it a 4-5 year plan, instead of a 2-3 year. As is looks right now, that is exactly what it is IMO.

22_4_ever wrote:IMHO any and all good faith Murray made with the fans on the Fisher deal is thrown away with this one.

Kelly was Cap friendly and a good penalty killer/ faceoff/energy guy and while I know everyone over values the players on their team I just don't see how you can replace what he brings.

Now Zach Smith moves up to a #3 and we have to bring someone else in from Bingo to be our #4.

This deal is Poo....not to mention that I get to explain to a 7 year old why his favorite player is now gone. I don't understand the 2nd round pick, at best it will be what 50th or so?

Exactly.

Unless you get a massive overpayment, you do not trade a player like Kelly. Doesn't matter if you are; going for a Cup, young, old, in last place, rebuilding, buying, selling, winners of 18 in row (setting new record) or losers of 18 consecutive (also a new record). Did he call you names or steal your girl; doesn't matter to me.

Kelly is someone whose true value isn't seen until it is gone.

It is gone.

Haha, nice rant.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

22_4_ever wrote:Yep, very good chance it will work out to nothing for Kelly, and in the mean time we have who to replace him?

Doesn't matter. You get to feel like a big shot because your team has a bunch of precious picks. You call that nothing?

I can't pass by 6 genius comments in a row from both of you guys without acknowledging them.

What an appalling road the Sens are currently navigating. No need for it IMO, they took a wrong turn at Three Draft Choice Lane.

dennycrane wrote:Breaking News: Kaberle and a 3rd to Boston for Joe Colborne, Jared Knight and BOS 1st

Did this happen? I haven't heard anything yet; granted I don't go looking for info either. I just usually hear through conversations or this site, and at this point, nothing.

Anyone?