Preds acquire Mike Fisher for 2011 1st Round Pick + Condition 2012 pick!

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Michallica wrote:
yup I agree with that too. I was kinda ticked off the whole season. Doesn't take a pilot to see that fisher was playing with an injury....damn it I respect the player for having the capability to play through it but when you obviously aren't that useful, you might as well rest.

I respect that during the playoffs. During the regular season it's just stupid.

Agreed. If he'd sat out this injury, we may have won a game less this season. Maybe.

Hoags wrote:Holy crap ! Let the rebuild commence !!!

I'm in Toronto and I heard today .... Tears of joy !!!!!!!!!!!!!

So is Murray still a bad GM ??

Can't wait to see who's next.

I believe I'm paraphrasing someone when I say "Time to blow this Dung up! "



edit: If Fisher has been playing injured does that mean we're in trouble ? (ie. will he fail the Preds' physicals ?)

This shouldn't change the opinion of Murray either way. He's just doing what clearly needs to be done...like they were saying on the Team today, if he starts making real hockey moves then you know he'll be here next year. Right now the odds are still high that he won't be the GM in 2011-2012.

Michallica wrote:so apparently fisher was playing with some torn rib cartilage (sez Jason York) and apparenltly its like a stabbing pain and is extremely tough to play through. He says most ppl wouldn't play through it so that explains why fisher wasn't hitting much.

My question is....why the Diddle wouldn't you shut it down and get better??? ah well if he wants to play that way, fine.....nashville shoudl have fun with that

Big mistake. Everyone here said it as well, get out of the lineup, get better, then return. If it takes a month +, then so be it. Really silly stuff, he was positively useless out there and it got him traded. Clouston also made a really poor decision by not shutting him down himself.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

Hoags wrote:Can find the quotes now but on twitter I was reading that Bsens fans in Bingo are pissed and are burning Carrie Underwood CDs (dunno if that's true).

With the Sens rebuilding and trading Fisher for draft picks with no players coming back there's worry that the BSens' playoff hopes are in danger, as more players are traded and more players from the BSens are called up.

Any truth to that ? I'll try and find who wrote that.

They don't have to worry about their best player, Locke, ever coming up again at least. I think the BSens will be fine.

Who cares anyway, like really. Nobody remembers who wins the Calder Cup when it's all said and done.

judging from the number of phone calls to the team 1200, alot of folks won't renew season tickets if Murray is still the GM. So I'm pretty sure he won't be the GM

Michallica wrote:judging from the number of phone calls to the team 1200, alot of folks won't renew season tickets if Murray is still the GM. So I'm pretty sure he won't be the GM

LOL I was listening on the drive home to those idiot callers. While I don't agree with keeping Murray along, I wouldn't go that far haha.

Big Ev wrote:
This shouldn't change the opinion of Murray either way. He's just doing what clearly needs to be done...like they were saying on the Team today, if he starts making real hockey moves then you know he'll be here next year. Right now the odds are still high that he won't be the GM in 2011-2012.

I don't really understand that. This is a hockey move of the highest order because Fisher was under contract for 2 more seasons. It *certainly* won't make fans happy - at all, so Melnyk should probably should allow Murray to just shed contracts that are expiring at the end of the season if he's gonna fire him. Doesn't really make sense for Melnyk and co. to allow him to move a player like Fisher - someone that a new GM might have seriously wanted to keep. Let the new GM make the decision in the summer, why is Murray moving a piece like Fisher if there's just gonna be a new GM come July?

SpezDispenser wrote:

Big Ev wrote:
This shouldn't change the opinion of Murray either way. He's just doing what clearly needs to be done...like they were saying on the Team today, if he starts making real hockey moves then you know he'll be here next year. Right now the odds are still high that he won't be the GM in 2011-2012.

I don't really understand that. This is a hockey move of the highest order because Fisher was under contract for 2 more seasons. It *certainly* won't make fans happy - at all, so Melnyk should probably should allow Murray to just shed contracts that are expiring at the end of the season if he's gonna fire him. Doesn't really make sense for Melnyk and co. to allow him to move a player like Fisher - someone that a new GM might have seriously wanted to keep. Let the new GM make the decision in the summer, why is Murray moving a piece like Fisher if there's just gonna be a new GM come July?

Hockey moves meaning bringing in actual NHL players and actual cap hits, not trades just to dump players. These moves are simply for picks or prospects for the future, so the next GM will have a "clean slate" still. If Murray was going to be GM next year, he'd have a contract right now, IMO.

If Murray will still be in an advisory role, he still needs to be making moves like this to help for the future. Thus, we have deals like the Fisher trade...

I know you have all been anxiously waiting for Stempy's review, so here it is.

- Love the fact Fisher is gone (signals change, signals re-tool, free's cap, ect)
- Not so big on the return (Not a fan of the conditional pick, shoulda been a nicer piece)
- Understand why he would go to Nashville of all places.
- Nashville has the worst/most high paid combo of centers in the league (Fisher, Lombardi, Legwand)

LIke when Vermette was traded, I feel kinda sad.
Now, thinking about Jurco or Jensen in the pipeline, I feel much better

Big Ev wrote:
Hockey moves meaning bringing in actual NHL players and actual cap hits, not trades just to dump players. These moves are simply for picks or prospects for the future, so the next GM will have a "clean slate" still. If Murray was going to be GM next year, he'd have a contract right now, IMO.

If Murray will still be in an advisory role, he still needs to be making moves like this to help for the future. Thus, we have deals like the Fisher trade...

Why clean the slate on Fisher now? For the sake of the rest of his salary this year, the move to make was keep him to be assessed by the new GM and his team. If he didn't want him anymore, he could have easily moved him in the summer. By clearing salary, I would assume Melnyk meant get rid of Phillips, Kovalev, Ruutu and probably Kuba, because new GM or not, that's not something we need going forward.

But Fisher? That to me is something that needs to be kept for new management to look at.

Big Ev wrote:

Michallica wrote:judging from the number of phone calls to the team 1200, alot of folks won't renew season tickets if Murray is still the GM. So I'm pretty sure he won't be the GM

LOL I was listening on the drive home to those idiot callers. While I don't agree with keeping Murray along, I wouldn't go that far haha.

yeah true, ppl are idiots if they say something like that. However, you already got -ive PR by trading fisher. all the women are up in arms. Hell 105.3 has banned all carrie underwood songs (btw the program director who made the statements and implemented this rule is....you guessed it....a woman!)

So Fisher is gone, your team is in the absolute dumps, and ppl are threatening to not renew because of murray and clouston. at some point the owner will give in whether its right or wrong. This will be the challenge of a rebuilding org. Honestly I really hope we do the philly rebuild where its only one season, but sounds like it will be next season too

Congratulation SeawaySensFan, you got your wish.

My view on the trade is best described as mixed emotions. As far as what the Sens received, the 1st is fantastic - no questions there.

What I find strange is the conditional pick coming back. With the two unknown assets in Ottawa's possession now, the Sens are signaling that they may be in full rebuild mode. If I had my way, I would have went after Chet Pickard. Pickard has been struggling to get starts in Milwaukee and when he does, he doesn't shine. Pickard is a former first rounder and a solid prospect tender - something Ottawa needs more of. Ultimately, I have to consider Pickard wasn't asked about by Murray as there is no real reason - that I can see - that Pickard would have been a deal breaker from Nashville's perspective. The Preds have depth in goal - almost as much as their defence. Now I have no way of knowing for sure if Murray asked about the struggling goaltender, but I would be crazy to think that he didn't. Another actual player Ottawa should have asked about is Taylor Beck, the big left winger - who can play right as well - had to have been available. He is a third rounder, just like the conditional pick Ottawa ended up settling for. He is closer to being NHL ready and/or in Bingo now. He also has a track record that can be better scouted to see where he fits at the pro level than a draft choice.

In the end, Ottawa received two anonymous players who could end up being years away from seeing the NHL, if ever. Granted, Ottawa's scouts may have a player in mind already and Bryan Murray would know that, so the assets may not be nameless to him. Either way, I feel safe in saying that as it sits right now, both faceless assets will not be in the NHL for at least two years.

Admittedly, with the cap space created by moving Fisher, a player will be inserted via free agency next season. I just hope they choose a good one.

I guess I just didn't expect nothing in return that I can put a face to and a also a player to help Bingo - as they are sure to be ravaged for the remainder of the season - jeopardizing their playoff push.

SpezDispenser wrote:

Big Ev wrote:
Hockey moves meaning bringing in actual NHL players and actual cap hits, not trades just to dump players. These moves are simply for picks or prospects for the future, so the next GM will have a "clean slate" still. If Murray was going to be GM next year, he'd have a contract right now, IMO.

If Murray will still be in an advisory role, he still needs to be making moves like this to help for the future. Thus, we have deals like the Fisher trade...

Why clean the slate on Fisher now? For the sake of the rest of his salary this year, the move to make was keep him to be assessed by the new GM and his team. If he didn't want him anymore, he could have easily moved him in the summer. By clearing salary, I would assume Melnyk meant get rid of Phillips, Kovalev, Ruutu and probably Kuba, because new GM or not, that's not something we need going forward.

But Fisher? That to me is something that needs to be kept for new management to look at.

I think you still have to do your job and act like YOU will be the one going through the rebuild, even if there's a chance you won't be. If he felt that getting rid of Fisher and his contract was a good move for the future, then so be it. Murray shouldn't me making a move or not making a move based on his own contract situation.

Fisher also makes 4 million in real money next year and 3 million in real money the year after. That makes a big difference to a budget team like Nashville.

Big Ev wrote:
I think you still have to do your job and act like YOU will be the one going through the rebuild, even if there's a chance you won't be. If he felt that getting rid of Fisher and his contract was a good move for the future, then so be it. Murray shouldn't me making a move or not making a move based on his own contract situation.

I just think Melnyk should probably let the incoming GM make the decision on a player like Fisher. Phillips, Kuba, Kovalev, Ruutu - go ahead, but leave guys like Fisher and Gonchar etc. to the new GM.

CockRoche wrote:
I guess I just didn't expect nothing in return that I can put a face to and a also a player to help Bingo - as they are sure to be ravaged for the remainder of the season - jeopardizing their playoff push.

I think you'll see an AHLer or two come back in one of the three upcoming deals for either Kovalev, Ruutu or Phillips. They sent Cowick and Hoffman to the ECHL to keep them warm while this was happening, but they got instantly recalled when O'Brien and Butler came up to Ottawa. Now Bingo will have to wait for the next player or two to come via trade IMO.

SpezDispenser wrote:

Big Ev wrote:
I think you still have to do your job and act like YOU will be the one going through the rebuild, even if there's a chance you won't be. If he felt that getting rid of Fisher and his contract was a good move for the future, then so be it. Murray shouldn't me making a move or not making a move based on his own contract situation.

I just think Melnyk should probably let the incoming GM make the decision on a player like Fisher. Phillips, Kuba, Kovalev, Ruutu - go ahead, but leave guys like Fisher and Gonchar etc. to the new GM.

A new Gm would have to work with whatever Murray leaves him, just like Murray had to work with Muckler's crap.