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31Hello..and Thoughts - Page 3 Empty Re: Hello..and Thoughts Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:13 pm

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rooneypoo wrote:
Cap'n Clutch wrote:How about we wait until Alfie retires and make Phillips Captain. A 100% great idea.

How about someone name any other candidate more plausible than Phillips.

If Phillips is not made captain, it's because of PR / optics: i.e., you need a player putting up points to be your captain, which is the new direction in the NHL. Locker rooms & coaches no longer decide who the team captain is; instead, its management, the organization, and the PR machine. That's the only way Phillips doesn't end up captain. As for him being traded, I think it highly, highly unlikely.

Jason Spezza as the captain of this team would be an atrocity, a moral offence against the concept of 'team captain' itself. If you doubt that claim, I just can't have a serious conversation with you.

I'm going to disagree with you on that one Dr. Poo. I think that Spezza has come a long way this year. It's too bad he's hurt. I can't blame him for that however.

Plus, we could always change our name to the Ottawa Tin Men.

32Hello..and Thoughts - Page 3 Empty Re: Hello..and Thoughts Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:18 pm

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rooneypoo wrote:
TheAvatar wrote:
rooneypoo wrote:
Cap'n Clutch wrote:How about we wait until Alfie retires and make Phillips Captain. A 100% great idea.

How about someone name any other candidate more plausible than Phillips.

If Phillips is not made captain, it's because of PR / optics: i.e., you need a player putting up points to be your captain, which is the new direction in the NHL. Locker rooms & coaches no longer decide who the team captain is; instead, its management, the organization, and the PR machine. That's the only way Phillips doesn't end up captain. As for him being traded, I think it highly, highly unlikely.

Jason Spezza as the captain of this team would be an atrocity, a moral offence against the concept of 'team captain' itself. If you doubt that claim, I just can't have a serious conversation with you.

I'm going to disagree with you on that one Dr. Poo. I think that Spezza has come a long way this year. It's too bad he's hurt. I can't blame him for that however.

Plus, we could always change our name to the Ottawa Tin Men.

OTM. I like that actually ... Wink

33Hello..and Thoughts - Page 3 Empty Re: Hello..and Thoughts Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:22 pm

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rooneypoo wrote:
How about someone name any other candidate more plausible than Phillips.

I agree with this.

rooneypoo wrote:If Phillips is not made captain, it's because of PR / optics: i.e., you need a player putting up points to be your captain, which is the new direction in the NHL. Locker rooms & coaches no longer decide who the team captain is; instead, its management, the organization, and the PR machine. That's the only way Phillips doesn't end up captain. As for him being traded, I think it highly, highly unlikely.

Jason Spezza as the captain of this team would be an atrocity, a moral offence against the concept of 'team captain' itself. If you doubt that claim, I just can't have a serious conversation with you.

But not with this. It would not be an atrocity or a moral offense against anything and, hyperbole aside, there are certainly leadership qualities in Spezza -- certainly more than in Kovalev, who was crowned Captain by the fans in Saku's absence.

But since this is not a serious conversation, Ahhhhh!

34Hello..and Thoughts - Page 3 Empty Re: Hello..and Thoughts Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:44 pm

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rooneypoo wrote:
Cap'n Clutch wrote:How about we wait until Alfie retires and make Phillips Captain. A 100% great idea.

How about someone name any other candidate more plausible than Phillips.

well, like I mentioned, by the time Alfie retires Karlsson will be well-established and cowen/rundblad/2011 1st rounder will be well along in their development. Judging from the trend, the captains are becoming younger and younger, and they are yielding results. I would not be surprised if any of these guys is ushered in as the new 'face' of the franchise.

That, and no denying it but Jason Spezza will be a candidate. I'm not telling you who deserves it, I'm just telling you what the scenario will be and how it might be approached.

35Hello..and Thoughts - Page 3 Empty Re: Hello..and Thoughts Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:54 pm

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Many would argue that Fisher would be in the running as well.

36Hello..and Thoughts - Page 3 Empty Re: Hello..and Thoughts Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:56 pm

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spader wrote:Many would argue that Fisher would be in the running as well.

true, but I think Fish is a UFA the same time Alfie's contract runs out.....and I don't see us re-signing him to be honest nor do I foresee alfie playing past his contract

37Hello..and Thoughts - Page 3 Empty Re: Hello..and Thoughts Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:58 pm

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Michallica wrote:
spader wrote:Many would argue that Fisher would be in the running as well.

true, but I think Fish is a UFA the same time Alfie's contract runs out.....and I don't see us re-signing him to be honest nor do I foresee alfie playing past his contract

That's fair. I think there's a chance that he gets resigned, though likely at a discount compared to his current contract. I was really just throwing out what seemed like a possibility.

38Hello..and Thoughts - Page 3 Empty Re: Hello..and Thoughts Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:14 pm

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spader wrote:
Michallica wrote:
spader wrote:Many would argue that Fisher would be in the running as well.

true, but I think Fish is a UFA the same time Alfie's contract runs out.....and I don't see us re-signing him to be honest nor do I foresee alfie playing past his contract

That's fair. I think there's a chance that he gets resigned, though likely at a discount compared to his current contract. I was really just throwing out what seemed like a possibility.

Yeah, I think both have pretty good possibilities. If we re-sign Fisher, he'll be 32 and coming off 3 million dollars in actual money - which is pretty fair IMO. I can see us re-signing him for the 3 million he gets in his final year - say a 3 year, 9 million dollar total. That I could swallow, even if he, Neil and someone play a 3rd line, someone like Silfverberg for arguments sake to add some skill. Teams are going with skilled/gritty 3rd lines now leaning as much towards offense as grit - or the successful teams are trying anyway, so it wouldn't hurt to have Fisher as a 3rd line center at all.

39Hello..and Thoughts - Page 3 Empty Re: Hello..and Thoughts Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:15 pm

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can you imagine if we did extend fisher for another 3 years? I think ssf's head would explode

40Hello..and Thoughts - Page 3 Empty Re: Hello..and Thoughts Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:17 pm

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Fisher is one of my favorite players but I don't think he has leadership qualities. Look at Spezza on the bench -- he's always talking to the other players (linemates or otherwise) after a play. Fisher sits there, stares out to center ice and spits. Alfie, as well, does not talk very much, but those eyes are like The Rocket's used to be.


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41Hello..and Thoughts - Page 3 Empty Re: Hello..and Thoughts Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:18 pm

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Michallica wrote:can you imagine if we did extend fisher for another 3 years? I think ssf's head would explode

Not if there are parameters to it. Like Spezza being 1C, _______ being 2C and Fisher, Kelly and Neil heading up an expensive, but effective 3rd line. At 3 million and as a 3rd line C who can fill in in an emergency, I'm sure we'd all be on board, right?

42Hello..and Thoughts - Page 3 Empty Re: Hello..and Thoughts Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:18 pm

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wprager wrote:Fisher is one of my favorite players but I don't think he has leadership qualities. Look at Spezza on the bench -- he's always talking to the other players (linemates or otherwise) after a play. Fisher sits there, stares out to center ice and spits. Alfie, as well, does not talk very much, but those eyes are like The Rocket's used to be.

Yeah I've often thought that as well.

43Hello..and Thoughts - Page 3 Empty Re: Hello..and Thoughts Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:22 pm

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SpezDispenser wrote:
Michallica wrote:can you imagine if we did extend fisher for another 3 years? I think ssf's head would explode

Not if there are parameters to it. Like Spezza being 1C, _______ being 2C and Fisher, Kelly and Neil heading up an expensive, but effective 3rd line. At 3 million and as a 3rd line C who can fill in in an emergency, I'm sure we'd all be on board, right?

maybe, but I'm hoping someone in our system is going to replace Fisher. And we could definitely get a nice return for FIsh....might as well strike when the iron is hot

44Hello..and Thoughts - Page 3 Empty Re: Hello..and Thoughts Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:38 pm

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I don't think there's any chance signing Fisher for $3x3. He's got star power and the cap is going up. He's making $4.2M now and he's not going to get any less than that IMO (even if he is overpaid -- again, IMO).


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45Hello..and Thoughts - Page 3 Empty Re: Hello..and Thoughts Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:20 pm

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rooneypoo wrote:
Cap'n Clutch wrote:How about we wait until Alfie retires and make Phillips Captain. A 100% great idea.

How about someone name any other candidate more plausible than Phillips.

If Phillips is not made captain, it's because of PR / optics: i.e., you need a player putting up points to be your captain, which is the new direction in the NHL. Locker rooms & coaches no longer decide who the team captain is; instead, its management, the organization, and the PR machine. That's the only way Phillips doesn't end up captain. As for him being traded, I think it highly, highly unlikely.

Jason Spezza as the captain of this team would be an atrocity, a moral offence against the concept of 'team captain' itself. If you doubt that claim, I just can't have a serious conversation with you.

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46Hello..and Thoughts - Page 3 Empty Re: Hello..and Thoughts Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:21 pm

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Michallica wrote:can you imagine if we did extend fisher for another 3 years? I think ssf's head would explode

Mine too. Unless it's at a deep, deep discount. And he'd have to renounce his faith. Oh yeah, no NTC/NMC either. Thanks.

47Hello..and Thoughts - Page 3 Empty Re: Hello..and Thoughts Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:59 pm

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wprager wrote:I don't think there's any chance signing Fisher for $3x3. He's got star power and the cap is going up. He's making $4.2M now and he's not going to get any less than that IMO (even if he is overpaid -- again, IMO).

Well i'm of the opinion that we should be trading fish but only if the return is high like a 1st. If not we can keep him and judging from his play and if he faces more injury his value in dollar might go down. One thing is sure with fish, he wants to stay in ottawa. So you could get him at 3x3 i would think. I think that whatever phillips gets as an extention will be a good judge of whats to come.

48Hello..and Thoughts - Page 3 Empty Re: Hello..and Thoughts Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:06 pm

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Flo The Action wrote:
wprager wrote:I don't think there's any chance signing Fisher for $3x3. He's got star power and the cap is going up. He's making $4.2M now and he's not going to get any less than that IMO (even if he is overpaid -- again, IMO).

Well i'm of the opinion that we should be trading fish but only if the return is high like a 1st. If not we can keep him and judging from his play and if he faces more injury his value in dollar might go down. One thing is sure with fish, he wants to stay in ottawa. So you could get him at 3x3 i would think. I think that whatever phillips gets as an extention will be a good judge of whats to come.

Why do you think he wants to stay in Ottawa? He might end up in Nashville or LA.


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