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1Hello..and Thoughts Empty Hello..and Thoughts Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:52 am

22_4_ever

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Hello,

I've been coming to the site for a long time, but just reading comments. I recently joined as I've just about had enough with what's going on and need a place to vent, and check to see if I'm way off base. The people I work with no nothing of hockey, and I'm pretty stong opinionated so friends and family tend to vocally agree even if I'm wrong. So please share thoughts...

On the Ottawa Situation:
I'm very confused when it comes to our current management structure. Melynk has always been a vocal owner, even when times were tough in the past, so it's odd that during this "bad time" he's silent. That tells me something is up, but the organization isn't prepared to annouce what their plans are. For that I don't blame them, while as a fan I want to know what's going on, I understand not allowing all the other teams in the league to know what you're plans are until it's time to make them public. That sort of takes any leverage your team has away.

For me it's about the coach and GM. I like Murray, and while I understand the views that his trades and UFA acquisitions haven't been great, his drafting and college signings have been very very good (IMHO). I also understand that he's on a year to year plan, so he may decide to pack it in, or Melynk may decide not to bring him back. Either way I don't understand why he hasn't either been signed or let go. If Melnyk wants him back, then it only makes sense to pressure him for a commitment now. Waiting for him to make up his mind only puts Ottawa in a bad position.

Let's consider that either Melnyk doesn't want him back after this year, or Murray doesn't want to come back. Taking that into consideration then by not acting now, Melnyk is allowing a GM to make decisions now, that the future GM may not want. Maybe Murray trades Regin, where the new GM might want him, or may have got more by trading to another team. Second, if they wait to acquire a new GM until the off season, you run the risk of not getting anyone currently associated with another team. Similar to what happened to Chiarelli (spelling) when Boston hired him, what team would allow their employee to move to a new team before the draft and thus have all the draft knowledge from that team with them.

My opinion, either make Murray make a 2 year commitment so that he can continue his master plan, or cut him loose now so the new GM can enact change before the deadline.

As for the Coach, it's clear that while it's not entirely the coaches fault, the team just isn't performing for him and his methods much like a Keenan, or Hitchcock only last for so long. I understand that this team is currently or has recently paid several coaches at the same time, and Melnyk may not want to have another guy he's paying sit at home, but by keeping a coach the players appear to not want around, you run the risk of alienating the veteran players you have and souring the room long term.

Maybe I'm off base, but I'm confused why nothing has been done. As for trading players, I understand why no one has gone yet. The players were not exactly lighting it up (the ones everyone is talking about trading, Kuba, Ruutu, Kovalev) so trading them when their value is low doesn't make sense, where seeing as the team isn't going to make the playoffs, there isn't a rush to make a move. Why not wait to see if they play better and maybe their value goes up. What's the worse that happens, someone offers a 4th rounder for Ruutu now, and closer to the deadline that isn't likely to go down.

Thoughts?

2Hello..and Thoughts Empty Re: Hello..and Thoughts Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:58 am

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Yeah, pretty well thought out and pretty accurate. I've been wondering the same thing about Murray - are we trusting this guy to deal with the changes necessary at the deadline? If he has a plan, what year is he into right now? He probably needs another 3 years of drafting, signing and trading to get this team to where he wants it - a winner, but can he commit?

I think that's bothering everyone here. If Murray steps up on deadline day and makes three or four big moves, does it change the direction of the franchise, something a new GM coming in might have to try to undo?

As for Melnyk's silence, I think he finally realizes that we're not 'going all the way' this year (facepalm) and is letting Murray sell what he wants off the roster.

Clouston should be given some benefit because he has no skill to work with, but things certainly don't look great - certainly not the kind of year where you rush to extend a coach.

I think the bottom line is, Murray will be able to move Ruutu, Kovalev and let Leclaire go away in the summer, but the off-season is where the bigger moves *might* come, like Fisher etc. My issue right now is: does Murray know what he's doing with Phillips? That's a big, big thing right now.

Welcome aboard BTW. Smile

3Hello..and Thoughts Empty Re: Hello..and Thoughts Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:06 am

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Murray's a stand-up guy, I have no doubt he'll do everything in his power to help the Sens as long as he's the Sens GM. If there is going to be a new GM (ie: Murray does indeed decide to retire), I agree, it would be better to have them brought into the fold sooner rather than later in order to give them more exposure to the team and start the planning early.

Who knows, that may be happening already...

But, until those decisions are made, we are where we are now.

And welcome to GMH!

4Hello..and Thoughts Empty Re: Hello..and Thoughts Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:15 am

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I think if it goes on much longer we can assume one of the Murrays is here for another season because it will be his plan put into action in terms of trades and drafting because there really isn't much time for a new GM to get a handle on things.

Even if a new GM came in today they'd be relying pretty heavily on the scouting reports and advice of the management team Murray has in place so at this point just keep Murray and Clouston and let them walk at the end of the season.

My gut feeling is the successor will be Tim Murray so there's no rush since he knows the master plan, it gives the fans a new GM, and allows Murray to retire and Melnyk to just let Clouston walk - no point in firing him if you're tanking.

5Hello..and Thoughts Empty Re: Hello..and Thoughts Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:22 am

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Chris Phillips will be our future GM Sarcasm

6Hello..and Thoughts Empty Re: Hello..and Thoughts Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:28 am

shabbs

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Cap'n Clutch wrote:I think if it goes on much longer we can assume one of the Murrays is here for another season because it will be his plan put into action in terms of trades and drafting because there really isn't much time for a new GM to get a handle on things.

Even if a new GM came in today they'd be relying pretty heavily on the scouting reports and advice of the management team Murray has in place so at this point just keep Murray and Clouston and let them walk at the end of the season.

My gut feeling is the successor will be Tim Murray so there's no rush since he knows the master plan, it gives the fans a new GM, and allows Murray to retire and Melnyk to just let Clouston walk - no point in firing him if you're tanking.
Handing the reigns over to Tim (if that's the case) also allows Murray to step back and take a different role if he wants to (ie: head of scouting) without any awkward "You're fired, but we'll offer you a position in the Sens organization... yadda yadda yadda... blah blah blah."

Not sure how I feel about Tim as a GM...

7Hello..and Thoughts Empty Re: Hello..and Thoughts Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:30 am

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Number Twenty Nine wrote:Chris Phillips will be our future GM Sarcasm

100%

8Hello..and Thoughts Empty Re: Hello..and Thoughts Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:30 am

shabbs

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SeawaySensFan wrote:
Number Twenty Nine wrote:Chris Phillips will be our future GM Sarcasm

100%
Chris Neil is to WIN as BigRig is to GM?

Wink

9Hello..and Thoughts Empty Re: Hello..and Thoughts Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:32 am

SeawaySensFan

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shabbs wrote:
SeawaySensFan wrote:
Number Twenty Nine wrote:Chris Phillips will be our future GM Sarcasm

100%
Chris Neil is to WIN as BigRig is to GM?

Wink

And "future captain."

10Hello..and Thoughts Empty Re: Hello..and Thoughts Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:36 am

Cap'n Clutch

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shabbs wrote:
Cap'n Clutch wrote:I think if it goes on much longer we can assume one of the Murrays is here for another season because it will be his plan put into action in terms of trades and drafting because there really isn't much time for a new GM to get a handle on things.

Even if a new GM came in today they'd be relying pretty heavily on the scouting reports and advice of the management team Murray has in place so at this point just keep Murray and Clouston and let them walk at the end of the season.

My gut feeling is the successor will be Tim Murray so there's no rush since he knows the master plan, it gives the fans a new GM, and allows Murray to retire and Melnyk to just let Clouston walk - no point in firing him if you're tanking.
Handing the reigns over to Tim (if that's the case) also allows Murray to step back and take a different role if he wants to (ie: head of scouting) without any awkward "You're fired, but we'll offer you a position in the Sens organization... yadda yadda yadda... blah blah blah."

Not sure how I feel about Tim as a GM...

Not saying I endorse it I just think it makes the most sense considering the inactivity. Bringing an all new GM in to this team now is a little late in the game. It also follows Melnyk's MO of saving cash and hiring from within. Muckler out - In comes Murray. Mlacker out - in comes Leader. Coaching was Paddock from within, then Hartsburg (cheap), then Clouston from within.

11Hello..and Thoughts Empty Re: Hello..and Thoughts Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:41 am

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IMO, Murray will step down soon after the all-star break and basically hand the reigns over on an interim basis to Tim Murray. At the press conference, they will finally outline the plan for the remainder of the season (and I expect them to also announce that Clouston is there for the remainder of the year) which is to sell and look out for the future of this franchise.

12Hello..and Thoughts Empty Re: Hello..and Thoughts Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:41 am

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future captain of his curling club

13Hello..and Thoughts Empty Re: Hello..and Thoughts Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:00 pm

tim1_2

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Welcome to the club.

Allow me to respond to your post by sharing my take on what’s currently going on with management. I believe Melnyk and Brian Murray are pretty tight, and Melnyk has lots of respect for Murray. I figured that this was likely Brian Murray’s last year as GM, and the team’s performance this year has guaranteed that fact. Melnyk does not want to disrespect Murray in his final year before retirement (or a retirement position within the Sens organization), so he will not fire him.

I am 99% sure that Melnyk and Murray agree that the only course of action right now is to trade the veterans they can by the deadline, and take prospects/picks back in return. Given this, there isn’t much point in replacing Murray now anyways, since the direction is clear.

They will hire a new GM in the off-season, whether it’s Tim Murray or not remains to be seen. I have a hunch it will be Tim Murray, which would make it next to impossible to fire Brian Murray part way through a season only to be replaced by a family member. Ouch.


On the coaching side of things, we all know Clouston will not be back next year (barring some kind of miraculous 30-game winning streak). If he were going to be fired, he would have been fired by now. I believe there is some truth to the rumours that Murray wanted to fire him, and Melnyk said that if Clouston went, Murray would return behind the bench. I think Murray wasn’t too keen on going behind the bench again, so agreed to let Clouston ride out the season. At this point, the damage is done anyway. I’m not too sure if the Clouston-era will leave a bad taste in the vets mouths…nothing the off-season and hiring of a new coach won’t cure.


As for trades, when a team is in the tank like Ottawa, the offers for players don’t tend to become reasonable until the deadline. You’re bang on in this respect…there is no reason for Ottawa to make a panic-trade now, so we might as well wait until all the offers are rolling in at the deadline.

14Hello..and Thoughts Empty Re: Hello..and Thoughts Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:04 pm

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tim1_2 wrote:

Welcome to the club.



They will hire a new GM in the off-season, whether it’s Tim Murray or not remains to be seen. I have a hunch it will be Tim Murray, which would make it next to impossible to fire Brian Murray part way through a season only to be replaced by a family member. Ouch.


Can you spell S-U-T-T-E-R ?

15Hello..and Thoughts Empty Re: Hello..and Thoughts Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:08 pm

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Number Twenty Nine wrote:future captain of his curling club

Yes, and we should make Jason "the tin man" Spezza the captain of this team in his stead.

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