Ottawa Senators 10/11 projected lineup

Ruutu might go on trade deadline, but it depends on a loooot of things.

I don't think Ruutu is going anywhere. But I'd much sooner part with him than Foligno. Z. Smith can take Ruutu's job if worst comes to worst.

i don't know why ruutu is so underappreciated on this board. seriously the guy has done wonders for our PK or just defending on the 5 on 5. he came in as an agitator and has carved himself a good place in our defencive system. he plays the way CC wants him to plus he just had a career year. you wan't to trade him? let's give em an extention(well maybe with a discount )

I have a feeling we'll see no more roster moves from here on in... what we got now is what we'll see. Shannon and Lee will be with us, somehow. I also think Murray will hold onto Ruutu (which I'm perfectly fine with).

I hope I'm wrong though...

shabbs wrote:I have a feeling we'll see no more roster moves from here on in... what we got now is what we'll see. Shannon and Lee will be with us, somehow. I also think Murray will hold onto Ruutu (which I'm perfectly fine with).

I hope I'm wrong though...

murray went and traded for shannon. now he gave him another 1 year contract. i just don't see him waiving him or trading him. i could be wrong.

shabbs wrote:I have a feeling we'll see no more roster moves from here on in... what we got now is what we'll see. Shannon and Lee will be with us, somehow. I also think Murray will hold onto Ruutu (which I'm perfectly fine with).

I hope I'm wrong though...

I'm fine with the roster as is. Hopefully one of Wick or Butler can stick in a top-9 role and we add another scorer at the deadline. We're not going to enter the season with a team that many will pick to win the Cup, but it's still pretty good.

Flo The Action wrote:

shabbs wrote:I have a feeling we'll see no more roster moves from here on in... what we got now is what we'll see. Shannon and Lee will be with us, somehow. I also think Murray will hold onto Ruutu (which I'm perfectly fine with).

I hope I'm wrong though...

murray went and traded for shannon. now he gave him another 1 year contract. i just don't see him waiving him or trading him. i could be wrong.

Yeah, I don't either.

I'll throw my "lines" out there...

Top 6 F: Regin, Spezza, Alfie, Michalek, Fisher, Kovalev
Bottom 7 F: Neil, Ruutu, Kelly, Shannon, Foligno, Winchester, Z. Smith

Top 4 D: Phillips, Karlsson, Kuba, Gonchar
Bottom 3 D: Carkner, Lee, Campoli

Goalies - Leclaire, Elliott

The 1-way contract always wins out in the end...

Flo The Action wrote:i don't know why ruutu is so underappreciated on this board. seriously the guy has done wonders for our PK or just defending on the 5 on 5. he came in as an agitator and has carved himself a good place in our defencive system. he plays the way CC wants him to plus he just had a career year. you wan't to trade him? let's give em an extention(well maybe with a discount )

Where are you getting that from? All I mean is, if I had a choice, I'd rather trade Ruutu than Foligno. But I'd rather not trade either.

Honestly, though, Foligno is worth so much more to this team long-term than Ruutu. He had a sophomore/junior slump and still put up as many points as Ruutu (not that scoring is JR's job) in 21 fewer games. He's also 12 years younger than Ruutu and at 21 scored more goals in one season than Ruutu ever has or ever will.

He was a Rick Nash type player for Sudbury in the OHL, and I think he has a lot of all-around potential. His max upside is to be a 25-25 guy who plays physical, is a beast along the boards and is an important player defensively. I don't think it makes any sense that some have seemingly given up on him when Regin is being anointed a saviour for having scored 3 more points this season while being 2 years older.

We're not the Edmonton Oilers forward-prospect-wise. I'd say we're more like Minny but for the fact that now they have a blue-chip talent in Mikael Granlund. Foligno has a lot of value to this team.

I don't understand the love fest with Ruutu. Did everyone forget so quickly all the dumb penalties he took last season? (He finished second on the team with 33 minor penalties last season.) Stupid goaltender interferences at the end of the game; silly retaliation penalties; "accidentally" falling on top of guys and getting obstruction penalties. Plus with a cap hit of $1.3-million, why not replace him with a Zack Smith, who most likely has a higher offensive output, while maintaining the same defensive presence?

PKC wrote:I don't understand the love fest with Ruutu. Did everyone forget so quickly all the dumb penalties he took last season? (He finished second on the team with 33 minor penalties last season.) Stupid goaltender interferences at the end of the game; silly retaliation penalties; "accidentally" falling on top of guys and getting obstruction penalties. Plus with a cap hit of $1.3-million, why not replace him with a Zack Smith, who most likely has a higher offensive output, while maintaining the same defensive presence?

I love that he gets players off their game though. He's annoying, but better yet, he can hit, adds grit, bothers goalies (we saw how big that is in the playoffs), draws penalties and he scores once in a while to boot. It's a manageable cap hit for a decent player.

I'll have to tinker with this some more. I think one of Wick or Butler will for sure have a spot.

I read that a Swiss paper had followed both Regin and Wick and had finally said that they thought Wick had superior talent.

And Butler...is a high pedigree player out of the NCAA who can snipe.

asq2 wrote:

shabbs wrote:I have a feeling we'll see no more roster moves from here on in... what we got now is what we'll see. Shannon and Lee will be with us, somehow. I also think Murray will hold onto Ruutu (which I'm perfectly fine with).

I hope I'm wrong though...

I'm fine with the roster as is. Hopefully one of Wick or Butler can stick in a top-9 role and we add another scorer at the deadline. We're not going to enter the season with a team that many will pick to win the Cup, but it's still pretty good.

I disagree.

There has to be a roster move(s). Offensively, we have too many guys signed to one-way deals: Spezza, Alfredsson, Michalek, Kovalev, Fisher, Neil, Kelly, Ruttu, Winchester, Shannon plus Regin and Foligno rounds out 12. Z. Smith deserves a spot, and management should have one of Butler or Wick playing a third line role to start integrating some youth into the offensive side of this team. Realistically, you don't sign a guy like Wick to have him leave his professional career behind for a one year two-way deal to play in Bingo, and then add a guy like Locke who is likely their #1 call up now. Seems like a waste to me.

On the defensive side of things, we have: Phillips, Gonchar, Kuba, Karlsson, Carkner, Lee all signed to one-ways with Campoli likely to sign and Cowen, perhaps even Gryba, expected to make the team.

I'd look at moving Kuba to NYI (whose highest paid player is still Yashin). They need to reach the cap floor and more importantly need to address their defensive woes. As for offensive moves, I'd try to get rid of Shannon for a pick. That shouldn't be much of a problem. These moves open up roster spots on both ends of the ice and creates a bit more cap space for BM to work with.

I see status quo happening, unless Regin/Campoli create issues with arbitration. Out of Butler, Wick, and Smith, Zack will make it. Shannon is going to be the 13th forward, and our d-men will remain the same. In all honesty, no changes need to be made at all.

Our top 6 forwards and D is very strong. Butler and Wick can use the time in Bingo to pretty much earn their call-ups. Knowing how often Michalek and Kovalev (and spezza) get injured, we'll be seeing enough of Butler and Wick during the season, as well as Gryba and Weircioch.

I think Murray is playing this out very very well. Again I maintain that Murray will make Butler and Wick start in Bingo in big part because he'll want to re-sign them with the one-way contract as incentive. We can see it happening with Regin already....one-way contract isn't a selling point for him obviously.

Let's see...

To best utilize Wick or Butler, they really need a chance in the top 6. Does that mean that potentially Regin plays 3rd line C and on the PP with Spez and Alfie?

I'm trying to wrap my head around this, but for sure I feel that Wick and Butler will compete almost to the last day. If they go down to Bingo, they'll be up sooner rather than later.

SpezDispenser wrote:Let's see...

To best utilize Wick or Butler, they really need a chance in the top 6. Does that mean that potentially Regin plays 3rd line C and on the PP with Spez and Alfie?

I'm trying to wrap my head around this, but for sure I feel that Wick and Butler will compete almost to the last day. If they go down to Bingo, they'll be up sooner rather than later.

Exactly. Kovalev will be gone after this season, and that's a winger spot tailor made for either wick or Butler. Ruutu as well. They may deserve to be on the team by the time training camp is said and done, but I just don't see where the space will come from.

Regin, Alfie, Michalek, Kovalev, and Foligno are our wingers slated to be in the top 2 lines. I don't know how rehab's going for both Michalek and Kovalev, but that might be the only way one of these guys starts the season with the big club. Sucks, but it is a numbers game.

Michallica wrote:
Exactly. Kovalev will be gone after this season, and that's a winger spot tailor made for either wick or Butler. Ruutu as well. They may deserve to be on the team by the time training camp is said and done, but I just don't see where the space will come from.

Regin, Alfie, Michalek, Kovalev, and Foligno are our wingers slated to be in the top 2 lines. I don't know how rehab's going for both Michalek and Kovalev, but that might be the only way one of these guys starts the season with the big club. Sucks, but it is a numbers game.

Z.Smith is where the space comes from for one of Wick or Butler unfortunately. Z.Smith would be the first call up, the loser of the Butler/Wick, the 2nd forward call up probably. I dunno, there's NO room for Shannon on this team. That's what I keep saying - and I'm a pretty big fan of his. There's no chance he can play for us.

It would be a damn shame if that happened to Smith. He's earned that spot, but it did happen before with Cody Bass....