Gonchar to Ottawa

N4L wrote:

hemlock wrote:

marakh wrote:

hemlock wrote:

N4L wrote:That's why he was signed, to score goals. That's it, that's all. That's what he does. If he doesnt do it, it sucks, but The Sens did sign Butler to score some goals.

Wick, he's the wild card but with Cullen leaving, he has a real shot at sticking in Ottawa.

That's my point. Murray is taking an awful risk here by banking on these two. This could come crashing down hard. If we don't have guys playing well up front, it makes the Gonchar signing even less appealing.

Seriously, who wouldn't want a top line player? Who other than Kovalchuk is out there? Don't you think Burke would have given contracts right and left if there was one available? Unless you want to trade Karlsson and REgin in a package.
ONe thing to want one, another to get it.

Bobby Ryan.

Sure it would take a bunch of picks but the 2011 draft is shaping up to be weak. Put in an offer and see what happens. Other than that, you are right in that there isn't much available FA wise, but then again, I also don't think you need to pacakge both Regin and Karlsson for one.

Kariya is another guy who could come in on the cheap if he hangs around unsigned long enough. He's not a first line answer, but he's a better answer imo than most of what we've got, at least right now.

Dont know about that one... Foligno would be a better option the him right now. That's the other guy we havnt really talked about, he is a potential 20 goal guy and almost got there 2 years ago.

We'll see but the Gonchar signing helps The Sens more than any player on the market right now or IMO, through trade. The only other guy I would like to see land in Ottawa is Penner.

Foligno has some upside sure. That's why I said most of what we have.

I think the Gonchar move is more to give the youth time to develop and learn the game as opposed to just throwing them into the fire. Also, if Gonchar is producing at a good pace for the next 3 years The Sens will get a 4th out of him for a relativly cheap cost because of The Olympics.

N4L wrote:I think the Gonchar move is more to give the youth time to develop and learn the game as opposed to just throwing them into the fire. Also, if Gonchar is producing at a good pace for the next 3 years The Sens will get a 4th out of him for a relativly cheap cost because of The Olympics.

Why are the Olympics being brought up? People want to say that he'll be productive because of Sochi. Perhaps not. His body will break down, that's a fact of life. He may not be good enough to play in Sochi or earn $5.5 per from the Sens by then, and it could very well be despite his best efforts to the contrary. That's what happens to athletes in their geriatric years...

The Olympics are being brought up because there is no risk of him retirering and his drive to be ready will indeed be there. Also, that 4th year that he hasnt signed for could be a blessing for The Sens down the road.

N4L wrote:The Olympics are being brought up because there is no risk of him retirering and his drive to be ready will indeed be there. Also, that 4th year that he hasnt signed for could be a blessing for The Sens down the road.

Saying there is no risk is simply not true. If he declines to the point where he's not even a realistic option for Russia, he may just abandon the idea altogether. With a player this age, there are no guarantees imo. That's my problem with the term (although without 3 years I don't think Murray lands him).

my biggest concern with this is the NTC would also prefer 2 than 3 years but as hem said without that third year murray doesnt land him but he will increase our production from our forwards and help offense defense does worry me a bit but i have faith that this team can be very competative

GONCHAR

Verry happy


(i know i'm late but i had to work)

hemlock wrote:

marakh wrote:

hemlock wrote:

N4L wrote:That's why he was signed, to score goals. That's it, that's all. That's what he does. If he doesnt do it, it sucks, but The Sens did sign Butler to score some goals.

Wick, he's the wild card but with Cullen leaving, he has a real shot at sticking in Ottawa.

That's my point. Murray is taking an awful risk here by banking on these two. This could come crashing down hard. If we don't have guys playing well up front, it makes the Gonchar signing even less appealing.

Seriously, who wouldn't want a top line player? Who other than Kovalchuk is out there? Don't you think Burke would have given contracts right and left if there was one available? Unless you want to trade Karlsson and REgin in a package.
ONe thing to want one, another to get it.

Bobby Ryan.

Sure it would take a bunch of picks but the 2011 draft is shaping up to be weak. Put in an offer and see what happens. Other than that, you are right in that there isn't much available FA wise, but then again, I also don't think you need to pacakge both Regin and Karlsson for one.

Kariya is another guy who could come in on the cheap if he hangs around unsigned long enough. He's not a first line answer, but he's a better answer imo than most of what we've got, at least right now.

Two things with Bobby Ryan. You'll have to offer 7M per year which includes 4 1st round picks or Anaheim matches. The other thing is that making an offer on him pretty much guarantees someone comes back at you in the next couple years, maybe Karlsson, maybe Cowen, etc... These GMs don't forget who tried to screw them.
I think Ryan has already turned down a 5 x 5M deal from Anaheim, so it'll cost a ton of cash as well as probably Karlsson, Regin and a 1st next year to get him, he is that good.

As for Kariya, there is no gas left in that tank. Please watch some St. Louis games from this year. He is a shadow of his former self.

I do want to thank hem for bringing up his concerns but i still think there is more positive than negative to this but hem had really made us stop and look at the negatives to what this brings

Hockeyhero22000 wrote:I do want to thank hem for bringing up his concerns but i still think there is more positive than negative to this but hem had really made us stop and look at the negatives to what this brings

There is always some negatives when signing UFAs. By the structure of the system, every UFA signing is going to be overpaying in term and salary as well as NTC/NMCs. Not one of today's signings comes without risk, not one.

RobbyJ wrote:

Hockeyhero22000 wrote:I do want to thank hem for bringing up his concerns but i still think there is more positive than negative to this but hem had really made us stop and look at the negatives to what this brings

There is always some negatives when signing UFAs. By the structure of the system, every UFA signing is going to be overpaying in term and salary as well as NTC/NMCs. Not one of today's signings comes without risk, not one.

Quiet true all these signings come with risk but we sometimes do have a tendancy to view these things one sidely and not examine from all angles but with Hem's skepticism we at least hear another angle that some of may not have considered

I love it.

Just an FYI, I didn't make that

Still neat.

Yeah, he looks good in a Sens uni...still undecided as to what Sens jersey I will get this year. I need a new one and I may just have to get a Sarge jersey.

Big Ev wrote:Yeah, he looks good in a Sens uni...still undecided as to what Sens jersey I will get this year. I need a new one and I may just have to get a Sarge jersey.

Hmmm...limited life span though.

I'd love to get a Lehner but that's still years away.