2010 NHL Draft

hemlock wrote:

Gohan wrote:

hemlock wrote:

Gohan wrote:

Kovalfie wrote:

Gohan wrote:

Kovalfie wrote:only thing that can save this off-season for me right now is Versteeg. May as well kiss Z Michalek goodbye too. No point investing in a d-man for x amount of years with Wiercioch, Cowen, Karlsson, and this guy being NHL ready in max 2 years. Not to mention we still have Lee on the roster.

I've lost complete confidence in Murray. It's official.

That's nonsense.

Maybe I'm just sick of missed opportunities. He blew it with Heatley, and he's going to blow it with Spezza. he blew it by not signing Cammalleri and taking Kovalev instead. Cammalleri tore up the playoff this year. He blew it with Campbell who now has a Stanley Cup. He won't do anything of significance this off-season; he won't sign a d-man now (he'd be dumb to anyway) and he's not going to get Spezza a winger.

Sorry dude but his patch-jobs just aren't working for me. Until he does something big to address the needs of this team I'm not happy.

1) Heatley situation was impossible
2) What do you consider blowing it, when talking about the Spezza situation?
3) Cammalleri never wanted to sign here
4) Campbell was the #3 D-man on Chicago and would have been expected to be the #1 here.
5) This off-season is currently the future
6) Cowen, Wiercioch, and Rundblad are each, likely, a year away. No telling what Murray has planned, at this point
7) All he's talked about for 3 seasons is the need for a top-6 forward...I'm pretty sure he'll fo what he can for Spezza...Spezza has to do it for himself, though
8) The majority of the posters on this site (many of whom's opinion I respect immensely) are quite pleased with Murray's work. Why all the hate?
9) ...little perspective, maybe? ...little faith?

How do you know Cammalleri never wanted to sign in Ottawa. Source?

The fact that Murray waited until July 1st to sign the guy Cammalleri replaced. That's my source: Logic.

We aren't talking about what Murray did or didn't do. I asked why Cammalleri didn't want to sign in Ottawa as you say. He could have signed in a few places, with both TO and MTL interested as well, but he chose MTL. Just because he chose MTL, doesn't mean he didn't want to sign in Ottawa necessarily. Perhaps MTL made a better offer, plain and simple.

hemlock wrote:

dennycrane wrote:Murray took a look at what was left. Even if Tarasenko was about the same as Rundblad, you're better off with the guy that is one year further along.

Better with a guy further along sure, but were there no forwards in that mold available? I think more than anything that is what people's issue are (at least mine). The glaring need for a stud forward prospect.

Kovalfie wrote:

Gohan wrote:

Kovalfie wrote:he's still sitting on Volch. If he thinks Washington is going to sign him than trade his rights for something, a 4th, anything. We had this talk months ago. Why are we able to predict this and not Murray?

Why would Washington (or any team, for that matter) give up an asset when they know he's going to sign there. I knew he was going to sign there in Diddling January and I have zero interaction with him or his people.

We all did. That's my point. Why was he not pro-active. If he knew he was going to sign in Washington why not trade him at the deadline? Washington would have likely beat MTL with him.

Devo wrote:

Kovalfie wrote:

Gohan wrote:

Kovalfie wrote:he's still sitting on Volch. If he thinks Washington is going to sign him than trade his rights for something, a 4th, anything. We had this talk months ago. Why are we able to predict this and not Murray?

Why would Washington (or any team, for that matter) give up an asset when they know he's going to sign there. I knew he was going to sign there in Diddling January and I have zero interaction with him or his people.

We all did. That's my point. Why was he not pro-active. If he knew he was going to sign in Washington why not trade him at the deadline? Washington would have likely beat MTL with him.

Ok last comment then I'm done...

You obviously just don't get it and hate murray..fine I get it. But why for the love of god would you trade one of your top d-men when you're still fighting for the playoffs. That's a sure fire signal you're giving up....oh and I don't believe Washington had the cap room to take him..again I stand to be corrected.

I got it now..Murray sucks, the team is worse now than we were 3 years ago. All these d-men we are doomed.

Guess Nashville and L.A. were thinking the same thing.. No future there either

Gohan wrote:

hemlock wrote:

Gohan wrote:

hemlock wrote:

Gohan wrote:

Kovalfie wrote:

Gohan wrote:

Kovalfie wrote:only thing that can save this off-season for me right now is Versteeg. May as well kiss Z Michalek goodbye too. No point investing in a d-man for x amount of years with Wiercioch, Cowen, Karlsson, and this guy being NHL ready in max 2 years. Not to mention we still have Lee on the roster.

I've lost complete confidence in Murray. It's official.

That's nonsense.

Maybe I'm just sick of missed opportunities. He blew it with Heatley, and he's going to blow it with Spezza. he blew it by not signing Cammalleri and taking Kovalev instead. Cammalleri tore up the playoff this year. He blew it with Campbell who now has a Stanley Cup. He won't do anything of significance this off-season; he won't sign a d-man now (he'd be dumb to anyway) and he's not going to get Spezza a winger.

Sorry dude but his patch-jobs just aren't working for me. Until he does something big to address the needs of this team I'm not happy.

1) Heatley situation was impossible
2) What do you consider blowing it, when talking about the Spezza situation?
3) Cammalleri never wanted to sign here
4) Campbell was the #3 D-man on Chicago and would have been expected to be the #1 here.
5) This off-season is currently the future
6) Cowen, Wiercioch, and Rundblad are each, likely, a year away. No telling what Murray has planned, at this point
7) All he's talked about for 3 seasons is the need for a top-6 forward...I'm pretty sure he'll fo what he can for Spezza...Spezza has to do it for himself, though
8) The majority of the posters on this site (many of whom's opinion I respect immensely) are quite pleased with Murray's work. Why all the hate?
9) ...little perspective, maybe? ...little faith?

How do you know Cammalleri never wanted to sign in Ottawa. Source?

The fact that Murray waited until July 1st to sign the guy Cammalleri replaced. That's my source: Logic.

We aren't talking about what Murray did or didn't do. I asked why Cammalleri didn't want to sign in Ottawa as you say. He could have signed in a few places, with both TO and MTL interested as well, but he chose MTL. Just because he chose MTL, doesn't mean he didn't want to sign in Ottawa necessarily. Perhaps MTL made a better offer, plain and simple.

Ottawa made him an offer + He didn't sign in Ottawa = He didn't want to sign in Ottawa. Whatever his reasons, he didn't sign here, so he didn't want to. Pretty simple.

Kovalfie wrote:

marakh wrote:Kovalfie calm down dude you re just disappointed anx letting the nerves get the better of you. I think you want to watch some rundblad videos to ease the pain. He s damn good and I wouldn't be surprised if he were top 10 in ottawas last year list. A list that was made by the same scouts that took karlsson.

I agree 100%

Just really disappointed right now.

Devo wrote:

hemlock wrote:

dennycrane wrote:Murray took a look at what was left. Even if Tarasenko was about the same as Rundblad, you're better off with the guy that is one year further along.

Better with a guy further along sure, but were there no forwards in that mold available? I think more than anything that is what people's issue are (at least mine). The glaring need for a stud forward prospect.

Agreed, the only thing I can say to this Hem, is I hope to god we're all wrong with the college players they have signed and the juniors they have coming. Maybe Murray and the scouts know something we don't that one or two of them are way further ahead than we know and are showing signs of being a top 6. Who knows maybe Regin and Wick are the answer...This time next year is a better time to take that debate out.

hemlock wrote:

Gohan wrote:

Ottawa made him an offer + He didn't sign in Ottawa = He didn't want to sign in Ottawa. Whatever his reasons, he didn't sign here, so he didn't want to. Pretty simple.

Yeah, it's that simple. Wow.

If you were offered two jobs, and you chose one, it doesn't mean you didn't want the first one necessarily. It could just mean that you prefer the other one...

Saying he didn't want to sign in Ottawa is a baseless statement, plain and simple. It's altogether irrelevant, but baseless nonetheless.

Big Ev wrote:If Tarasenko makes the NHL, he is at least a second line player, IMO...but hey whatever, what's done is done.

N4L wrote:

Big Ev wrote:If Tarasenko makes the NHL, he is at least a second line player, IMO...but hey whatever, what's done is done.

He's a sure fire top 6, but Im pretty sure everyone including the actual Senators managment has been telling you and the public, THEY ARE NOT TAKING A RUSSIAN!