Who won the Kovalchuk trade?

marakh wrote:Still, Lombardi needs to buy some balls IMO.

Holds on to his prospects like they have actually done something. Lombardi is gutless. That LA will be bounced first round and be laughed off the ice then all the LA fans will say "what happened? I thought we were suppose to contend."

Lombardi had every asset to make that happen and he let it slip away, what an idiot. If he was playing hard ball the moron just struck out.

SpezDispenser wrote:Hmm...if Murray was involved in this...what else is he potentially involved in?

Classic Murray. Get in on the big fish and then we find out after why we didn't get it.

There's an easy answer to the question posed in this thread.

Who won the Kovalchuk trade? Kovalchuk did.

PKC wrote:There's an easy answer to the question posed in this thread.

Who won the Kovalchuk trade? Kovalchuk did.

So true.

The way I see it, for a talent like Kovalchuk, you'd think that Atlanta would be able to get more than that. And if you factor in the difference between Atlanta's 2nd which will be earlier now, and new jersey's first, which will be later now, there won't be much discrepancy, maybe 10 picks difference? So for that I say, loss Atlanta.

But it's too early to say New Jersey won, because if they can't sign Kovalchuk, then the price they paid is too great for a rental. And it would be loss New Jersey.

So as it stands, with Kovalchuck unsigned, they both lost.

Bass Destruction wrote:The way I see it, for a talent like Kovalchuk, you'd think that Atlanta would be able to get more than that. And if you factor in the difference between Atlanta's 2nd which will be earlier now, and new jersey's first, which will be later now, there won't be much discrepancy, maybe 10 picks difference? So for that I say, loss Atlanta.

But it's too early to say New Jersey won, because if they can't sign Kovalchuk, then the price they paid is too great for a rental. And it would be loss New Jersey.

So as it stands, with Kovalchuck unsigned, they both lost.

You know what would be hilarious in this, if Kovalchuk ended up signing in Atlanta on July 1.

PKC wrote:

Bass Destruction wrote:The way I see it, for a talent like Kovalchuk, you'd think that Atlanta would be able to get more than that. And if you factor in the difference between Atlanta's 2nd which will be earlier now, and new jersey's first, which will be later now, there won't be much discrepancy, maybe 10 picks difference? So for that I say, loss Atlanta.

But it's too early to say New Jersey won, because if they can't sign Kovalchuk, then the price they paid is too great for a rental. And it would be loss New Jersey.

So as it stands, with Kovalchuck unsigned, they both lost.

You know what would be hilarious in this, if Kovalchuk ended up signing in Atlanta on July 1.

That would be fantastic and would look great on Lou Lam. Dare to dream.

After Waddell's press release I'm sure Kovalchuk has little interest in even setting foot in the Peach State ever again.

Kovalchuk will be sipping pinacoladas somewhere on July 1st watching the offers to roll in.

It'll be fun to watch the inevitable salary dumping by interested teams leading up to that date.

It seems Cheechoo costs us Kovalchuk but I don't think he'd fit in with Clouston's system. Still that salary of his is an anchor for us.

Hoags wrote:Kovalchuk will be sipping pinacoladas somewhere on July 1st and wait for the offers to roll in.

It'll be fun to watch the inevitable salary dumping by interested teams leading up to that date.

Mostly in Slatsville.

Bass Destruction wrote:The way I see it, for a talent like Kovalchuk, you'd think that Atlanta would be able to get more than that. And if you factor in the difference between Atlanta's 2nd which will be earlier now, and new jersey's first, which will be later now, there won't be much discrepancy, maybe 10 picks difference? So for that I say, loss Atlanta.

But it's too early to say New Jersey won, because if they can't sign Kovalchuk, then the price they paid is too great for a rental. And it would be loss New Jersey.

So as it stands, with Kovalchuck unsigned, they both lost.

First, I laugh at those that look at Oduya and Bergfors and state that they are not quality pieces. Really...how many New Jersey games do you watch each year....I'm guessing 4-6 (when they play the sens and then a couple on NBC when they play the rangers).

Both players are vastly underrated, and to state that Atlanta needed to get more than a solid puck moving defense man, a promising young scorer, and a hard nosed (and risky) player in Cormier plus a #1 for a guy who many believe it going to the KHL next year then you're losing your mind.

Kovalchuk is rumored to have his eyes squarely set on the KHL. There are a handful of teams who could afford his 10 million a year asking price, and none of them are in a position to offer than money and still put a competitive team together. He knows that, and from what I'm told intends to return to Mother Russia this summer for good.

I personally think New Jersey lost the trade, because they gave up a #1 pick, a good young player in Cormier (even with his issues) and a mainstay on their D in Oduya, plus a player who in 5 years many will consider a top 4 forward on any team. All this for a guy who will be around for no more than 5 months.

Devo

Devo wrote:

Bass Destruction wrote:The way I see it, for a talent like Kovalchuk, you'd think that Atlanta would be able to get more than that. And if you factor in the difference between Atlanta's 2nd which will be earlier now, and new jersey's first, which will be later now, there won't be much discrepancy, maybe 10 picks difference? So for that I say, loss Atlanta.

But it's too early to say New Jersey won, because if they can't sign Kovalchuk, then the price they paid is too great for a rental. And it would be loss New Jersey.

So as it stands, with Kovalchuck unsigned, they both lost.

First, I laugh at those that look at Oduya and Bergfors and state that they are not quality pieces. Really...how many New Jersey games do you watch each year....I'm guessing 4-6 (when they play the sens and then a couple on NBC when they play the rangers).

Both players are vastly underrated, and to state that Atlanta needed to get more than a solid puck moving defense man, a promising young scorer, and a hard nosed (and risky) player in Cormier plus a #1 for a guy who many believe it going to the KHL next year then you're losing your mind.

Kovalchuk is rumored to have his eyes squarely set on the KHL. There are a handful of teams who could afford his 10 million a year asking price, and none of them are in a position to offer than money and still put a competitive team together. He knows that, and from what I'm told intends to return to Mother Russia this summer for good.

I personally think New Jersey lost the trade, because they gave up a #1 pick, a good young player in Cormier (even with his issues) and a mainstay on their D in Oduya, plus a player who in 5 years many will consider a top 4 forward on any team. All this for a guy who will be around for no more than 5 months.

Devo

Again, you look at FLA and JBo, and that could have been ATL's fate, too. Bergfors, Oduya, Cormier, and an extra first rounder looks a hell of a lot sweeter than a 3rd and Leopold.

People will view this trade differently when Kovalchuk walks away from NJ, which he almost certainly will. No way Lam pays him the $11 mil / yr he's seeking -- he's got major pieces to re-sign in the not too distant future, starting with Zach "the franchise going forward" Parise and Jamie "captain USA" Langenbrunner, both guys who need re-signing in the next calendar year or so and who are in line for major raises.

The only way NJ does anything close to win this trade is if a) Kovalchuk re-signs (super unlikely) or b) NJ makes it out of the east and to the finals. I'm not sure anything less than a cup will suffice for the latter, tho'.

I think Lou is starting to believe in the false reports of the Devils magically winning with a "no-name" defense.

Hockey fans know what Oduya is worth and Lou is going to find out, the hard way in the long run.

As with any deal, time will tell, but the Devils got a Superstar and the Thrashers got some nice assets. I don't think ATL addressed an immediate need, however, as I suggested they might want to do. But this looks like a good medium-term deal for them.

I vote Even Steven.

Very impressed with them getting Oduya and Bergfors. If I was a Thrashers fan I would have been really hoping for Tenenby, but Cormier isn't worthless. It's a tidy trade, I'm surprised at the reaction from people to be honest.

However....what Waddell does from here on in is important too. He needs to trade for some offence now - and I can imagine there are a few GMs that might be pissed that they lost this sweeps and drive the price up.

SeawaySensFan wrote:I think Lou is starting to believe in the false reports of the Devils magically winning with a "no-name" defense.

Hockey fans know what Oduya is worth and Lou is going to find out, the hard way in the long run.

As with any deal, time will tell, but the Devils got a Superstar and the Thrashers got some nice assets. I don't think ATL addressed an immediate need, however, as I suggested they might want to do. But this looks like a good medium-term deal for them.

I vote Even Steven.

Agreed. Now both the ATL (offence) and NJ (D) need to make further trades.

Did anyone catch this? http://twitter.com/kausatoday

For those interested, St. Louis and Ottawa were the mystery teams that kicked the tires on Kovalchuk. Bravo for their aggressiveness.

Yeah, we were close apparently. But who were we giving up?....

SpezDispenser wrote:Yeah, we were close apparently. But who were we giving up?....

Not enough.

I, for one, could totally live without Kovalchuk on this team. In all seriousness, I think a Dumont, Brunette or The Wizard are far better fits.