Salary Cap concerns - all teams

rooneypoo wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:

rooneypoo wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Yeah I think with Mike Brodeur, O'keefe and what's his name, they've got enough Goaltending not worry about Bingo.

It's nice to see them pick up Mike Brodeur for Bingo though. Plus the prospects coming in there the Bingo fans will have a solid team to cheer for.

OK, then, well, the problem again becomes (assuming that we're dealing with SJ), what does SH have of interest to us that we could want in return for Heatley, and again (with the Kovalev signing) assuming that we want to avoid taking back all kinds of salary given the predicament we're facing next year with all our RFAs?

Would Clowe/Michalek + Couture + McGinn / 1st be a good starting point? Is that something like an equitable deal for each team?

I think we would be taking Cheechoo back personally, but that's just me. Probably something like Cheechoo, Couture, McGinn, and their 1st rounder.

That would give The Sens tons of depth, cap room, 2 solid prospects straight from the 67's and another 1st rounder that we can turn into Campoli.

Yeah, I guess I could live with that deal. Certainly helps us to re-load Bingo / our forward prospects.

If it were on the table, tho', I'd prefer Clowe + Couture + McGinn OR 1st. I'd give up the one asset (McGinn or 1st), that is, in order to get the better player. Clowe would be a pretty good fit here, I'd think.

I would rather have Clowe too as it would help in more ways then just scoring. Having some grit and tougness on that top line is ideal, but I'm looking at it realisticly. Clowe does make more than Heatley though...

Maybe its Clowe, Cheechoo, CLoutre for Heatley...

We'll do a 4-way with Chicago and Toronto where we end up with Sharp and Kaberle whilst off-loading Heatley and Smith.

Game on.

Neely4Life wrote:
I would rather have Clowe too as it would help in more ways then just scoring. Having some grit and tougness on that top line is ideal, but I'm looking at it realisticly. Clowe does make more than Heatley though...

Maybe its Clowe, Cheechoo, CLoutre for Heatley...

Michalek, Cheechoo, Ehrhoff?

Would you do that?

SpezDispenser wrote:Y'all know how I feel about Cheechoo, but another RW? I dunno...how can nobody else not feel the way I do about Heatley right now. We're soooooooooooooo much better off keeping him until the deadline or next summer.

Not if he is a distraction all year long, and he will be. Heatley wont go back into that room. You hear what the guys are saying publicly, I cant imagine how he would survive a training camp with guys like Ruutu, Neil, Winchester all trying to take his head off.

SpezDispenser wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:
I would rather have Clowe too as it would help in more ways then just scoring. Having some grit and tougness on that top line is ideal, but I'm looking at it realisticly. Clowe does make more than Heatley though...

Maybe its Clowe, Cheechoo, CLoutre for Heatley...

Michalek, Cheechoo, Ehrhoff?

Would you do that?

Maybe... but CLowe would be the guy from SJ I would shoot for.

Neely4Life wrote:

Cap'n Clutch wrote:Definitely looks like SJ would have to deal salary away in a seperate deal first before making a deal with Ottawa. Sounds great to me. I've wanted picks and prospects for Heatley all along. One roster player of the top six variety would be nice in the deal though.

You can almost be certain Cheechoo is coming back and he probably would fit fairly nicely on that top line with Spezza and Alfi.

The you have a 2nd line of Kovy and who ever else and a good, not great season from Fisher which is 20 goals, 40 points, and this team is extremely blanced, but pretty soft. Spezza and Lee especially, are going to have to really turn themselves into more physical players. In fact, I think that's what Brian Lee will eventually becomes, a shut down D man with a mean streak.

The only problem with Choochoo is that he's only a 3 million cap hit and he's a piece of Dung on skates.

SJ are not taking on an extra 4.5 in cap money. If they add Clowe, that doesn't help their need for a full roster. A lot has to happen on both sides before this happens.

Neely4Life wrote:

I would rather have Clowe too as it would help in more ways then just scoring. Having some grit and tougness on that top line is ideal, but I'm looking at it realisticly. Clowe does make more than Heatley though...

Maybe its Clowe, Cheechoo, CLoutre for Heatley...

Given our impending cap problems (some 7 or so RFAs, plus Volchie an UFA), and the Kovalev signing, I'd think that Murray would only want 1 NHL-ready player back -- someone who, when combined with Kovalev, should help replace Heatley's offence, but not eat up too much of the cap space we'd be gaining in giving up Heatley.

So, Clowe or Cheechoo, but not both (and, of course, dependent on a separate SJ deal, probably involving Marleau, to gain the cap space needed to fit in Heatley). Again, I'd be willing to settle for less of a return in terms of picks and prospects if it meant Clowe.

I dont know, trading Clowe and Cheechoo really wouldnt hurt them all too much honestly. They have guys like McGinn who can step in and play now, still some UFA's they can sign to round it out.

If San Jose REALLY wants Heatley, they will get it done.

Neely4Life wrote:Michalek, Cheechoo, Ehrhoff?

Would you do that?

Maybe... but CLowe would be the guy from SJ I would shoot for.[/quote]

They won't deal him after they just re-signed him. You could push...maybe get away with it, but I think it's more likely to be Michalek, Cheechoo, Ehrhoff personally.

Neely4Life wrote:I dont know, trading Clowe and Cheechoo really wouldnt hurt them all too much honestly. They have guys like McGinn who can step in and play now, still some UFA's they can sign to round it out.
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If San Jose REALLY wants Heatley, they will get it done.

Possibly, but OTT acquiring almost as much money back in a deal sending Heatley to SJ would not help us out long-term, in terms of making room for our many impending UFAs and RFAs.

I agree, tho', if SJ is hot for Heatley, they will make the moves needed to make it work. That started with a move to make salary room, probably by trading a guy like Marleau

SpezDispenser wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:Michalek, Cheechoo, Ehrhoff?

Would you do that?

Maybe... but CLowe would be the guy from SJ I would shoot for.

They won't deal him after they just re-signed him. You could push...maybe get away with it, but I think it's more likely to be Michalek, Cheechoo, Ehrhoff personally.[/quote]

Then we'd end with more right-wingers than and NRA convention. It doesn't work.

Quick question, would you take a 2nd and a 3rd from SJ or their 1st?

SpezDispenser wrote:
They won't deal him after they just re-signed him. You could push...maybe get away with it, but I think it's more likely to be Michalek, Cheechoo, Ehrhoff personally.

Dude, wayyyy too much salary. You're talking about $10+ mil coming back. The goal is the create salary space for OTT so they can deal with all those coming RFAs, remember?

Any deal with SJ is dependent on them clearing salary first. Period.

SeawaySensFan wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:Michalek, Cheechoo, Ehrhoff?

Would you do that?

Maybe... but CLowe would be the guy from SJ I would shoot for.

They won't deal him after they just re-signed him. You could push...maybe get away with it, but I think it's more likely to be Michalek, Cheechoo, Ehrhoff personally.

Then we'd end with more right-wingers than and NRA convention. It doesn't work.[/quote]

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rooneypoo wrote:
Dude, wayyyy too much salary. You're talking about $10+ mil coming back. The goal is the create salary space for OTT so they can deal with all those coming RFAs, remember?

Any deal with SJ is dependent on them clearing salary first. Period.

Yeah, this was dependent on the Sens managing to clear their roster of Schubert, Smith. The only RFA I'm worried about - as far as I can remember - is Foligno. All others can Diddle off and die if they want too much $$.

Neely4Life wrote:Quick question, would you take a 2nd and a 3rd from SJ or their 1st?

The first, I'd say. Extra picks are good, but this last draft showed that there can still be a lot of good talent left in the 20s (Josefson, Schroeder, etc.).

Neely4Life wrote:Quick question, would you take a 2nd and a 3rd from SJ or their 1st?

I would take either. Having an extra 2nd and 3rd rounder is very valuable when your scouts are as good as ours. Probably the extra picks for me personally.

SpezDispenser wrote:

Yeah, this was dependent on the Sens managing to clear their roster of Schubert, Smith. The only RFA I'm worried about - as far as I can remember - is Foligno. All others can Diddle off and die if they want too much $$.

I think if we could have gotten Smith and Schubert off the books before now, we would have. They just might be tough sells.

SJ will be the one to make moves to clear salary. And I say this because they HAVE to do so just to put together a 20-man roster that is cap-compliant. They have to make moves to clear salary one way or the other.

And: what about Campoli, Lee, Picard, Shannon, Regin, Zubov???