Toronto Blue Jays Talk

I'm starting to get pissed off.

The thing with Toronto it has seemed to me for the past x number of years is that they can never get their hitting and their pitching to line up. They'll get one or the other, but never both in the same game.

Yesterday, they really pulled one out of the fire, and hopefully they can ride that momentum to some more Ws.

Turning point for the Jays yesterday... gonna go on a rip now. Book it.

Wonder if their pitchers will lower that team ERA of 2000.98? They can score all the runs in the world but if the can't keep runners off base early they will finish with their annual 500 record.

Starting pitchers have been BRUUUUUTAL. No doubt about that. Certainly not helping things with that.

Always a good move to go out and get a 38 year old "ace" who has had one good year in his entire career. Can't see how that wouldn't blow up in their face, especially coming from a league where the pitcher bats 3-4 times a night. Can't believe that happened to the bluejays.

Nah, he's been good for 4 years. He's a great pitcher who like the rest of a powerful starting rotation has started slowly.

The issue with the Jays - and we've seen it with the Sens a lot - is that when the big guns aren't hitting, the rest of the team doesn't step up. There's almost no excuse, but the Jays can't seem to get 3 or 4 hits in a row to start a major inning. Yesterday was one of the first times I can recall the Jays stringing together more than 2 hits in an inning and putting serious pressure on opposing pitchers.

They have the hitters to win the East, they have the pitching, now they all have to come together and do their jobs.

SpezDispenser wrote:Nah, he's been good for 4 years. He's a great pitcher who like the rest of a powerful starting rotation has started slowly.

The issue with the Jays - and we've seen it with the Sens a lot - is that when the big guns aren't hitting, the rest of the team doesn't step up. There's almost no excuse, but the Jays can't seem to get 3 or 4 hits in a row to start a major inning. Yesterday was one of the first times I can recall the Jays stringing together more than 2 hits in an inning and putting serious pressure on opposing pitchers.

They have the hitters to win the East, they have the pitching, now they all have to come together and do their jobs.

He's had ONE great year and that's it. He has never been a great pitcher except last season.

Comparing baseball and hockey is also about the worst comp. you can make. Pitching wins in baseball and it always will.

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Nah, he's been good for 4 years. He's a great pitcher who like the rest of a powerful starting rotation has started slowly.

The issue with the Jays - and we've seen it with the Sens a lot - is that when the big guns aren't hitting, the rest of the team doesn't step up. There's almost no excuse, but the Jays can't seem to get 3 or 4 hits in a row to start a major inning. Yesterday was one of the first times I can recall the Jays stringing together more than 2 hits in an inning and putting serious pressure on opposing pitchers.

They have the hitters to win the East, they have the pitching, now they all have to come together and do their jobs.

He's had ONE great year and that's it. He has never been a great pitcher except last season.

Comparing baseball and hockey is also about the worst comp. you can make. Pitching wins in baseball and it always will.

Exactly. Last year Boston could hit but they finished last because of pitching. This year they're getting great pitching and are first in the East so far.

The Blue Jyas were overrated going into this year with Dickey (old knuckleballer with one good year), Mark Buehrle (another old guy who is borderline average), Josh Johnson (injury prone and underachiever), Brandon Morrow (another guy with one good year), and Ricky Romero/Jay Happ.

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Nah, he's been good for 4 years. He's a great pitcher who like the rest of a powerful starting rotation has started slowly.

The issue with the Jays - and we've seen it with the Sens a lot - is that when the big guns aren't hitting, the rest of the team doesn't step up. There's almost no excuse, but the Jays can't seem to get 3 or 4 hits in a row to start a major inning. Yesterday was one of the first times I can recall the Jays stringing together more than 2 hits in an inning and putting serious pressure on opposing pitchers.

They have the hitters to win the East, they have the pitching, now they all have to come together and do their jobs.

He's had ONE great year and that's it. He has never been a great pitcher except last season.

Comparing baseball and hockey is also about the worst comp. you can make. Pitching wins in baseball and it always will.

You think I don't know about baseball? Come on.

What I was comparing was the bats going dead when Bautista and Encarnacion aren't hitting - like when Alfredsson and Spezza aren't scoring back in the day.

And yes, Dickey has been good for 4 years. He perfected his knuckler and had losing records because the Mets blew chunks. He's a consummate pro, watch how he rebounds this season.

He has been a full time pitcher in the major league's since 2011, how is that 4 years? He's not a great pitcher at all, he's a pitcher who is coming off a great year.

Don't care how dead or alive the bats are in the lineup, pitching wins in baseball, that's it. It hasn't changed in year.

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Nah, he's been good for 4 years. He's a great pitcher who like the rest of a powerful starting rotation has started slowly.

The issue with the Jays - and we've seen it with the Sens a lot - is that when the big guns aren't hitting, the rest of the team doesn't step up. There's almost no excuse, but the Jays can't seem to get 3 or 4 hits in a row to start a major inning. Yesterday was one of the first times I can recall the Jays stringing together more than 2 hits in an inning and putting serious pressure on opposing pitchers.

They have the hitters to win the East, they have the pitching, now they all have to come together and do their jobs.

He's had ONE great year and that's it. He has never been a great pitcher except last season.

Comparing baseball and hockey is also about the worst comp. you can make. Pitching wins in baseball and it always will.

Exactly. Last year Boston could hit but they finished last because of pitching. This year they're getting great pitching and are first in the East so far.

The Blue Jyas were overrated going into this year with Dickey (old knuckleballer with one good year), Mark Buehrle (another old guy who is borderline average), Josh Johnson (injury prone and underachiever), Brandon Morrow (another guy with one good year), and Ricky Romero/Jay Happ.

Are you serious? Morrow's amazing. You should try watching sometime. And Buehrle's a horse. And Johnson has one of the best arms I've ever seen. You're funny Red Sox fan, keep telling yourself all of this and maybe if you click your heels together it'll be true.

Ev wrote:

NEELY wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Nah, he's been good for 4 years. He's a great pitcher who like the rest of a powerful starting rotation has started slowly.

The issue with the Jays - and we've seen it with the Sens a lot - is that when the big guns aren't hitting, the rest of the team doesn't step up. There's almost no excuse, but the Jays can't seem to get 3 or 4 hits in a row to start a major inning. Yesterday was one of the first times I can recall the Jays stringing together more than 2 hits in an inning and putting serious pressure on opposing pitchers.

They have the hitters to win the East, they have the pitching, now they all have to come together and do their jobs.

He's had ONE great year and that's it. He has never been a great pitcher except last season.

Comparing baseball and hockey is also about the worst comp. you can make. Pitching wins in baseball and it always will.

Exactly. Last year Boston could hit but they finished last because of pitching. This year they're getting great pitching and are first in the East so far.

The Blue Jyas were overrated going into this year with Dickey (old knuckleballer with one good year), Mark Buehrle (another old guy who is borderline average), Josh Johnson (injury prone and underachiever), Brandon Morrow (another guy with one good year), and Ricky Romero/Jay Happ.

Morrow is pretty solid and will be if he can stay healthy. But yah, pitching wins and that's been proven for 100 years. Put 9 Galaraga's in the lineup and if they don't have pitching, they will lose.

NEELY wrote:He has been a full time pitcher in the major league's since 2011, how is that 4 years? He's not a great pitcher at all, he's a pitcher who is coming off a great year.

Don't care how dead or alive the bats are in the lineup, pitching wins in baseball, that's it. It hasn't changed in year.

What are you talking about? He logged 175 innings in 2010 - and in Seattle he started perfecting his knuckler in 08. Some games he was amazing, some he sucked, but he perfected that pitch.

He was up and down in AAA for basically a decade. 2011 was his first season where he didn't pitch an inning in the minors.

NEELY wrote:
Morrow is pretty solid and will be if he can stay healthy. But yah, pitching wins and that's been proven for 100 years. Put 9 Galaraga's in the lineup and if they don't have pitching, they will lose.

I'm telling you, you will not find a better starting rotation in baseball.

Don't let people who are taking this opportunity to Dung on the Jays sway your opinion. Mark Buerhle has thrown 12 straight seasons of 200 innings or more, he's a professional who will come prepared to pitch. The scouting report before we got him was that he was prone to a bad inning here and there - and with the Jays lack of production, that's maximized right now, but he's no slouch.

Josh Johnson has one of the most electric arms in the league. He's got nasty stuff - an 'ace' arm that hasn't put it together yet this year.

Brendan Morrow is a stud. No explanation needed, just watch him.

RA Dickey didn't win the Cy Young by accident last year. He's a quality arm obviously.

Happ is a nice 5th starter. Not overpowering, but great control.

Romero will come along at some point I would imagine. His stuff is too good not to.

NEELY wrote:He was up and down in AAA for basically a decade. 2011 was his first season where he didn't pitch an inning in the minors.

Who cares? He pitched 175 innings in 2010 - that's a starter - with decent stats to boot. These knucklers take a while to get it perfected.

SpezDispenser wrote:

NEELY wrote:
Morrow is pretty solid and will be if he can stay healthy. But yah, pitching wins and that's been proven for 100 years. Put 9 Galaraga's in the lineup and if they don't have pitching, they will lose.

I'm telling you, you will not find a better starting rotation in baseball.

Don't let people who are taking this opportunity to Dung on the Jays sway your opinion. Mark Buerhle has thrown 12 straight seasons of 200 innings or more, he's a professional who will come prepared to pitch. The scouting report before we got him was that he was prone to a bad inning here and there - and with the Jays lack of production, that's maximized right now, but he's no slouch.

Josh Johnson has one of the most electric arms in the league. He's got nasty stuff - an 'ace' arm that hasn't put it together yet this year.

Brendan Morrow is a stud. No explanation needed, just watch him.

RA Dickey didn't win the Cy Young by accident last year. He's a quality arm obviously.

Happ is a nice 5th starter. Not overpowering, but great control.

Romero will come along at some point I would imagine. His stuff is too good not to.

I'll bet you Toronto doesn't even finish in the top 10 in team ERA this season. Willing to take that?