Toronto Blue Jays Talk

dennycrane wrote:I read Napoli asked for 6.1 in arbitration while the Angels countered with 5.3.

Oh, that's not as bad. I read 8 and they were offering 5.3

Deal official now. 86 million reasons to be pleased today for Rogers.

Damon and Manny signed with the Rays.

Jays about to trade Napoli for Fransisco apparently...

SpezDispenser wrote:Jays about to trade Napoli for Fransisco apparently...

Another relief pitcher with closing experience. He lost closer job in Texas to Feliz.

AA has acquired the following 3 relief pitchers who all make about $3mil and have closing experience Rauch, Franciso, Dotel. AA also signed Villeneuva. I think all are on one year deals.

I'm guessing that he may be looking to move Frasor before training camp.

Trade is done.

jawal wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Jays about to trade Napoli for Fransisco apparently...

Another relief pitcher with closing experience. He lost closer job in Texas to Feliz.

AA has acquired the following 3 relief pitchers who all make about $3mil and have closing experience Rauch, Franciso, Dotel. AA also signed Villeneuva. I think all are on one year deals.

I'm guessing that he may be looking to move Frasor before training camp.

He's very methodical in fixing holes in the lineup, I'll give him that. People were worried about the bullpen, but he's done a nice job in adding some talent.

I liked the idea of Napoli though, I'm a little disappointed.

Who's expected to DH now that Napoli is gone?

I like the way the team is shaping up, but I still feel like there's a serious lack of power and another bat would be nice.

stempniaksen wrote:Who's expected to DH now that Napoli is gone?

I like the way the team is shaping up, but I still feel like there's a serious lack of power and another bat would be nice.

I think DH is okay with Lind and EE. EE hit 21 homers in just over half a year. Lind has hit well(in 2009).

I'm more worry about defense. I don't know about outfielders Davis and Rivera but I've heard they are less than average to average defenders, Snider in LF is average. Bautista is average at 3rd. Hill and Escobar are good. Lind will be below average at 1st and JP Arenciba did not make it to big league based on D.

I think that 2011 Blue Jays can hit but will be below average defensively

jawal wrote:

stempniaksen wrote:Who's expected to DH now that Napoli is gone?

I like the way the team is shaping up, but I still feel like there's a serious lack of power and another bat would be nice.

I think DH is okay with Lind and EE. EEhit 21 homers in just over half a year. Lind has hit well(in 2009).

I'm more worry about defense. I don't know about davis and Rivera but I've heard they are less than averag eto average defenders, Snider is average. Bautista is average at short. Lind will be below average at 1st and JP Arencibe did not make it to big league based on D.

Bautista is averge at short? You mean Escobar? He's damn solid at short IMO, but it's Bautista that's sick defensively.

SpezDispenser wrote:

jawal wrote:

stempniaksen wrote:Who's expected to DH now that Napoli is gone?

I like the way the team is shaping up, but I still feel like there's a serious lack of power and another bat would be nice.

I think DH is okay with Lind and EE. EEhit 21 homers in just over half a year. Lind has hit well(in 2009).

I'm more worry about defense. I don't know about davis and Rivera but I've heard they are less than averag eto average defenders, Snider is average. Bautista is average at short. Lind will be below average at 1st and JP Arencibe did not make it to big league based on D.

Bautista is averge at short? You mean Escobar? He's damn solid at short IMO, but it's Bautista that's sick defensively.

Thanks, fixed the post for SS. I did not mean Escobar was average at SS. He's very good.

Bautista has a great bat but sick defensively? He had a rocket for an arm from RF which will be an asset at third but I think his coverage is average at both RF and 3rd.

I would like to see them get a third baseman so Bautista can play RF(where he wants to play). Likely Hill or Lawrie in 2012.

SpezDispenser wrote:

jawal wrote:

SpezDispenser wrote:Jays about to trade Napoli for Fransisco apparently...

Another relief pitcher with closing experience. He lost closer job in Texas to Feliz.

AA has acquired the following 3 relief pitchers who all make about $3mil and have closing experience Rauch, Franciso, Dotel. AA also signed Villeneuva. I think all are on one year deals.

I'm guessing that he may be looking to move Frasor before training camp.

He's very methodical in fixing holes in the lineup, I'll give him that. People were worried about the bullpen, but he's done a nice job in adding some talent.

I liked the idea of Napoli though, I'm a little disappointed.

I think this is an awful trade. I liked the Napoli trade as well, guy has good power with a fairly decent contract.

I've been reading some less than favourable things about Fransisco, some say he's been on the decline the last 2 years - aside from Feliz stealing his job.

AA loses this one, big time.

jawal wrote:
Thanks, fixed the post for SS. I did not mean Escobar was average at SS. He's very good.

Bautista has a great bat but sick defensively? He had a rocket for an arm from RF which will be an asset at third but I think his coverage is average at both RF and 3rd.

I would like to see them get a third baseman so Bautista can play RF(where he wants to play). Likely Hill or Lawrie in 2012.

Bautista has some surprising range in RF, not so sure about 3rd though. I thought Napoli was gonna fix the hole at 3B - whose taking it right now? Surely not EE, right? Now that dude's D is weak.

SDH89 wrote:
I think this is an awful trade. I liked the Napoli trade as well, guy has good power with a fairly decent contract.

I've been reading some less than favourable things about Fransisco, some say he's been on the decline the last 2 years - aside from Feliz stealing his job.

AA loses this one, big time.

The good news for us is that AA hasn't lost a trade yet IMO. If he thought we needed some serious competition for late inning relief, then I'd believe him - even if it's at the expense of Napoli - who wants over 6 million BTW. Still disappointed though...I liked having some power in there with Napoli. Is Vlad coming maybe?

SpezDispenser wrote:

SDH89 wrote:
I think this is an awful trade. I liked the Napoli trade as well, guy has good power with a fairly decent contract.

I've been reading some less than favourable things about Fransisco, some say he's been on the decline the last 2 years - aside from Feliz stealing his job.

AA loses this one, big time.

The good news for us is that AA hasn't lost a trade yet IMO. If he thought we needed some serious competition for late inning relief, then I'd believe him - even if it's at the expense of Napoli - who wants over 6 million BTW. Still disappointed though...I liked having some power in there with Napoli. Is Vlad coming maybe?

Yeah, it's just a strange move - trading the face of the franchise in Wells (who I admit was VASTLY overpaid, for eventually Frank Fransisco and Juan Rivera?

Good point in Vladdy. He'd make for a perfect DH in Toronto. He proved last year he's still go some substantial pop in his bat, although his legs are gone for sure after all those years playing on that cement in Montreal, so he would have to strictly DH as he did most of the time in Texas. Last I heard, he was having talks with Baltimore, but they broke off. Should be interesting.

Fransisco if he puts up a decent year will be a Type A free agent netting the Jays a 1st round draft pick, that is if he isnt traded midseason

Bramlet07 wrote:Fransisco if he puts up a decent year will be a Type A free agent netting the Jays a 1st round draft pick, that is if he isnt traded midseason

That's gotta be a pretty big reason as well then.

Word is a 5-year deal worth around 65 million for Jose Bautista.

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