Pat Quinn as Sens' Coach?

MurderOnIce wrote:[At the end of the day the selection of coach hangs on him. I will tell you something though, I have hired many people in my day and have made mistakes. The interview process is always flawed and you get what read you can in a brief period. You meet someone a few times and then you choose, you rely on intuition and what you can get from their history.

Hartsburg said all the right things and had a resume including recent world junior gold medal. He was on paper and perhaps in the interview a good hire. He had a defensive system (we were horrible defensively at the time) and he PREACHED accountability. Turns out the only system he had was the one and it could not adapt. He didn't hold players accountable and he couldn't adjust the coaching style he used with eager juniors to match an indifferent professional club.

If you like history read the reviews of every pundit about the hire... I remember no real negative ones. It seemed fairly safe. Hartsburg was not good plain and simple and did not live up to the talk he displayed in the interview. Anyone who has hired people runs into the same thing. You think you have the perfect fit, comes well recommended and doesn't turn out for whatever reason. So I don't blame Murray in the least and don't think that he sacrificed Hartsburg to save himself. Hartsburg was going no matter who was the GM. Christ, I am sure his mother would have fired him after the crappy job he did.

At the end of the day Murray is a sly fox for sure and ask Jimmy Fox whether or not he is a tough customer. But I don't think he was disloyal or dishonest. He didn't speak out of both sides of his mouth. He said he was the right guy at the start (everyone thought he was (I was a Tortarella guy from day one though read my posts from back then but who knows for sure if that would have worked either?)). He didn't work out and he HAD to be fired. There was no hope of him turning this around. What do you think Murray should have done? I can't see a better way to handle this. I am confident that he was professional throughout.

SensFan71 wrote:

Discretion is key, my friend... 8)

Cronie wrote:Were truer words ever spoken?

discretion is the word people use when not enough has been offered to make that person speak, that being said, what's your price DTR? lol kidding.

davetherave wrote:

MurderOnIce wrote:[At the end of the day the selection of coach hangs on him. I will tell you something though, I have hired many people in my day and have made mistakes. The interview process is always flawed and you get what read you can in a brief period. You meet someone a few times and then you choose, you rely on intuition and what you can get from their history.

Hartsburg said all the right things and had a resume including recent world junior gold medal. He was on paper and perhaps in the interview a good hire. He had a defensive system (we were horrible defensively at the time) and he PREACHED accountability. Turns out the only system he had was the one and it could not adapt. He didn't hold players accountable and he couldn't adjust the coaching style he used with eager juniors to match an indifferent professional club.

If you like history read the reviews of every pundit about the hire... I remember no real negative ones. It seemed fairly safe. Hartsburg was not good plain and simple and did not live up to the talk he displayed in the interview. Anyone who has hired people runs into the same thing. You think you have the perfect fit, comes well recommended and doesn't turn out for whatever reason. So I don't blame Murray in the least and don't think that he sacrificed Hartsburg to save himself. Hartsburg was going no matter who was the GM. Christ, I am sure his mother would have fired him after the crappy job he did.

At the end of the day Murray is a sly fox for sure and ask Jimmy Fox whether or not he is a tough customer. But I don't think he was disloyal or dishonest. He didn't speak out of both sides of his mouth. He said he was the right guy at the start (everyone thought he was (I was a Tortarella guy from day one though read my posts from back then but who knows for sure if that would have worked either?)). He didn't work out and he HAD to be fired. There was no hope of him turning this around. What do you think Murray should have done? I can't see a better way to handle this. I am confident that he was professional throughout.

MOI, just for the record, I never believed Hartsburg was the right choice for this team. IMHO Bryan Murray said 'all the right things' that justified his hiring of Hartsburg, and said 'all the right things' when he fired Hartsburg.

It's not a question of being honest or dishonest...it's just the politics of the hockey business.

Agreed?