Shanahan a Devil

Neely4Life wrote:Im also on the side that says you build from the back end up.

Goalie - check
puck moving d man - check
franchise stud D man - Hedman (check?)
franchise forward - depends on your views of Spezza (could be)

If Spezza is still here and we some how have the number 1 pick, you go after Hedman, not Tavares. If we dont have the number 1 pick, NYI will prob take Tavares anyways.

Hedman is the way to go right now with the Sens, but we gotta re-tool up front in a large way as well. Lots of work to do!

Holy motherfucking Dung. N4L just used the words "Spezza" and "franchise" together in the same sentence, and without being sarcastic.

Congrats!

Nasty Nas wrote:

hemlock wrote:He's too slow to be effective other than the PP. I'm
surprised he didn't come to Ottawa. He'd fit right in.

Thats the thing though, all the analysts were saying that a team should
sign him to at least help out on the PP but did they not watch him last
year???? He was on the Rangers powerplay all year long and single
handedly ran it into the ground by just staying stationary on the top
of the circle and waiting for everyone to feed him one timers. It
was painful to watch them work a powerplay all year long. Without
him there they would have been far more successful.

Hard to say. They have the 27th ranked PP right now. I don't know how good it was last year but it can't be much worse.

rooneypoo wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:Im also on the side that says you build from the back end up.

Goalie - check
puck moving d man - check
franchise stud D man - Hedman (check?)
franchise forward - depends on your views of Spezza (could be)

If Spezza is still here and we some how have the number 1 pick, you go after Hedman, not Tavares. If we dont have the number 1 pick, NYI will prob take Tavares anyways.

Hedman is the way to go right now with the Sens, but we gotta re-tool up front in a large way as well. Lots of work to do!

Holy motherfucking Dung. N4L just used the words "Spezza" and "franchise" together in the same sentence, and without being sarcastic.

Congrats!

:lol!: And all it took was a little bit of effort from Spezza and a whole lot of sucking by Heatley. How bad is Heatley right now? No goals in 8 games and 2 in his last 15. Methinks he isn't hitting 50 this year. I think matching his 41 (I think) from last year is a stretch.

asq2 wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:Im also on the side that says you build from the back end up.

Goalie - check
puck moving d man - check
franchise stud D man - Hedman (check?)
franchise forward - depends on your views of Spezza (could be)

If Spezza is still here and we some how have the number 1 pick, you go after Hedman, not Tavares. If we dont have the number 1 pick, NYI will prob take Tavares anyways.

Hedman is the way to go right now with the Sens, but we gotta re-tool up front in a large way as well. Lots of work to do!

Neither Crosby nor Ovechkin were able to turn their teams around in their first seasons in the NHL. There's no guarantee Hedman (or Tavares) will either.

Keeping that in mind, there are a lot of stud forwards at the 2010 draft. But not so many stud defenceman, from the looks of it.

Must....have....Hedman....

rooneypoo wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:Im also on the side that says you build from the back end up.

Goalie - check
puck moving d man - check
franchise stud D man - Hedman (check?)
franchise forward - depends on your views of Spezza (could be)

If Spezza is still here and we some how have the number 1 pick, you go after Hedman, not Tavares. If we dont have the number 1 pick, NYI will prob take Tavares anyways.

Hedman is the way to go right now with the Sens, but we gotta re-tool up front in a large way as well. Lots of work to do!

Holy motherfucking Dung. N4L just used the words "Spezza" and "franchise" together in the same sentence, and without being sarcastic.

Congrats!

Never said he couldnt be, I said he isnt.

DashRiprock wrote:First, if Tavares is still there when we pick, he's a Senator. Second, if not, then I guess you take Hedman, but it would be weird to see him as a Senator considering the last time he was in the city he was being booed everytime he touched the puck. Are fans going to quickly forget that and cheer him once he is a Senator? Hypocrites.

But this is all irrelevant unless the Sens continue tho slide, and lose every game.

They booed him because he punched Esposito. Hardly hypocritical. If we take Tavares, that still doesn't solve our back end problems, which is our most pressing need. Given the choice, and considering our needs, I take Hedman. If Hedman is gone, then I'm happy to take Tavares though.

Heatley will barly hit 30 goals this year, in his first year of his brand new shinny contract. Spezza wont hit a ppg with his brand new shinny contract. There is absolutly no insentive for either of those guys, the only difference is it seems Spezza wants to get going, and wants to understand what to do out there, even if he doesnt. Heatley is more worried about selling books, yet at the same time avoiding the media and playing the worst hockey he has ever played.

Its cool to give your guys top moneyif they are your top players, but the actually have to produce. One of the two has to go.

hemlock wrote:

Nasty Nas wrote:

hemlock wrote:He's too slow to be effective other than the PP. I'm
surprised he didn't come to Ottawa. He'd fit right in.

Thats the thing though, all the analysts were saying that a team should
sign him to at least help out on the PP but did they not watch him last
year???? He was on the Rangers powerplay all year long and single
handedly ran it into the ground by just staying stationary on the top
of the circle and waiting for everyone to feed him one timers. It
was painful to watch them work a powerplay all year long. Without
him there they would have been far more successful.

Hard to say. They have the 27th ranked PP right now. I don't know how good it was last year but it can't be much worse.

last year I think they finished like between 20th and 25th. I
guarantee last year if they just let Jagr, Straka, Rozy, etc. run the
PP and not look to Shanahan every single chance they would have been
significantly better. Shanahan was a dead weight for them on the
PP.

Nasty Nas wrote:

hemlock wrote:

Nasty Nas wrote:

hemlock wrote:He's too slow to be effective other than the PP. I'm
surprised he didn't come to Ottawa. He'd fit right in.

Thats the thing though, all the analysts were saying that a team should
sign him to at least help out on the PP but did they not watch him last
year???? He was on the Rangers powerplay all year long and single
handedly ran it into the ground by just staying stationary on the top
of the circle and waiting for everyone to feed him one timers. It
was painful to watch them work a powerplay all year long. Without
him there they would have been far more successful.

Hard to say. They have the 27th ranked PP right now. I don't know how good it was last year but it can't be much worse.

last year I think they finished like between 20th and 25th. I
guarantee last year if they just let Jagr, Straka, Rozy, etc. run the
PP and not look to Shanahan every single chance they would have been
significantly better. Shanahan was a dead weight for them on the
PP.

In that case, I'd say his only upside is leadership.

hemlock wrote:In that case, I'd say his only upside is leadership.

Which is not something a team with Langenbrunner, Madden, Parise, Brodeur etc. is lacking IMO.

It's really not an acquisition that changes anything. I think the focus is only there based on how good Shanny used to be.

Neely4Life wrote:

Never said he couldnt be, I said he isnt.

I don't think anyone else have ever said anything different. It's what I've been saying forever, anyway.

Still, babysteps!