You want the Sens to make the playoffs?

PKC wrote:

marakh wrote:Detroit`s Defense first is a team spirit though... NOt specific to DEfensemen only. Zetterberg, Datsyuk and Franzen are just madness when it comes to stealing the puck.

It never hurts to have Lidstrom either. Or a point-producer like Rafalski. Or guys like Lebda and Kronwall.

Look at Anaheim. Pronger and Niedermayer. Beauchemin and O'Donnell.

Those teams had the guys on the backend that can get the job done going both ways.

Although Phillips and Volchenkov are standouts (usually) defensively, they don't have that other dimension to their game. It's too easy to play against guys that are not a threat with the puck.

Buffalo, Pittsburgh and New Jersey didn't have much success against them in '06-'07.

504Heater wrote:Actually, now that you mention the Bruins, I see the Sens progressing a lot like they did. Remember how they couldn't score to save their life under Julien in his first year?

They also traded Thornton too.

asq2 wrote:

PKC wrote:

marakh wrote:Detroit`s Defense first is a team spirit though... NOt specific to DEfensemen only. Zetterberg, Datsyuk and Franzen are just madness when it comes to stealing the puck.

It never hurts to have Lidstrom either. Or a point-producer like Rafalski. Or guys like Lebda and Kronwall.

Look at Anaheim. Pronger and Niedermayer. Beauchemin and O'Donnell.

Those teams had the guys on the backend that can get the job done going both ways.

Although Phillips and Volchenkov are standouts (usually) defensively, they don't have that other dimension to their game. It's too easy to play against guys that are not a threat with the puck.

Buffalo, Pittsburgh and New Jersey didn't have much success against them in '06-'07.

Anahiem sure did though.

Neely4Life wrote:

504Heater wrote:Actually, now that you mention the Bruins, I see the Sens progressing a lot like they did. Remember how they couldn't score to save their life under Julien in his first year?

They also traded Thornton too.

But they had Patrice Bergeron in the system. We don't.

Neely4Life wrote:They also traded Thornton too.

Because someone took retard pills that day and paid for it with his job.

Neely4Life wrote:Anahiem sure did though.

Yeah, but it's not like guys who are threats with the puck like Redden, Meszaros, Corvo or Preissing fared any better.

asq2 wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:

504Heater wrote:Actually, now that you mention the Bruins, I see the Sens progressing a lot like they did. Remember how they couldn't score to save their life under Julien in his first year?

They also traded Thornton too.

But they had Patrice Bergeron in the system. We don't.

That's true too.

asq2 wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:

504Heater wrote:Actually, now that you mention the Bruins, I see the Sens progressing a lot like they did. Remember how they couldn't score to save their life under Julien in his first year?

They also traded Thornton too.

But they had Patrice Bergeron in the system. We don't.

They also signed Savard after the recognized what he could bring to the team. If they keep Thornton they dont draft Kessel, they dont draft Lucic, and they probably dont sign Chara or Savard.

Trading Thornton was the best thing for Boston and their current team proves that. The return its self on Thornton could have been a lot better, but it was the right move. (although Sturm is playing great there as well.)

Boston took a hit for a few years, drafted well and developed their players. They got rid of what they thought was the problem, plain and simple.

asq2 wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:Anahiem sure did though.

Yeah, but it's not like guys who are threats with the puck like Redden, Meszaros, Corvo or Preissing fared any better.

Meszaros is hardly a threat with the puck, he has a good shot, thats where it ends and I have maintained that for a while. Its being proven in Tampa he isnt even close to a number 1 guy.

Corvo is Corvo and is a big as a goof as anyone in the NHL. Priesing was out 5th D man, a lot like Meszaros was during his best season.

Do we really want to get into Redden?

504Heater wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:They also traded Thornton too.

Because someone took retard pills that day and paid for it with his job.

Whether it was a bad trade or not that team wouldnt be close to what it is with Thornton.

You're looking at this the wrong way, trade Fisher, keep Spezza, then everyone's happy.

Neely4Life wrote:

504Heater wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:They also traded Thornton too.

Because someone took retard pills that day and paid for it with his job.

Whether it was a bad trade or not that team wouldnt be close to what it is with Thornton.

you wanna share that crystal ball with the rest of us?

504Heater wrote:You're looking at this the wrong way, trade Fisher, keep Spezza, then everyone's happy.

NMC.

504Heater wrote:You're looking at this the wrong way, trade Fisher, keep Spezza, then everyone's happy.

some people are never happy.

Neely4Life wrote:

504Heater wrote:You're looking at this the wrong way, trade Fisher, keep Spezza, then everyone's happy.

NMC.

Just this year and next though, then it becomes increasingly easier to trade him. Limited NTC, very limited NTC. It's almost as if Murray had a plan...

Tukker wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:

504Heater wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:They also traded Thornton too.

Because someone took retard pills that day and paid for it with his job.

Whether it was a bad trade or not that team wouldnt be close to what it is with Thornton.

you wanna share that crystal ball with the rest of us?

Nope, I just look at the tallent they developed with Thornton while he was there and without, simple as that.

Chara wouldnt be there, Savard wouldnt be there (who is ahead of Thornton in scoring). The team would not be the complete team they are with Thornton being the center peice, hell, Glen Murray may still be Thorntons right hand man.

Neely4Life wrote:

Tukker wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:

504Heater wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:They also traded Thornton too.

Because someone took retard pills that day and paid for it with his job.

Whether it was a bad trade or not that team wouldnt be close to what it is with Thornton.

you wanna share that crystal ball with the rest of us?

Nope, I just look at the tallent they developed with Thornton while he was there and without, simple as that.

Chara wouldnt be there, Savard wouldnt be there (who is ahead of Thornton in scoring). The team would not be the complete team they are with Thornton being the center peice, hell, Glen Murray may still be Thorntons right hand man.

finishing in the basement usually does help develop prospects

504Heater wrote:

Neely4Life wrote:

504Heater wrote:You're looking at this the wrong way, trade Fisher, keep Spezza, then everyone's happy.

NMC.

Just this year and next though, then it becomes increasingly easier to trade him. Limited NTC, very limited NTC. It's almost as if Murray had a plan...

Then you're stuck with Spezza for the next 6, and if he continues along these lines he is now, its going to be a long 6 years.

Fact of the matter is if his play continues into next like it is now and he has a NTC for 6 years, this team wont win, not with him as the number 1 guy playing like he is. People will be furious.