Prospecting Prospect - End of Season 18/19

Lagoon wrote:So because you’ve done no research yourself and believe a couple articles you’ve read, you discount the other 50% of the articles you haven’t read.

Meanwhile, Raymond is doing what we all expected already. You should watch the game right now instead of doing nothing. But you won’t because you’ve already made up your mind even though a D+1 season is happening prior to a draft for the first time in forever.

Who is trolling?

It seems you haven't done the research to know what will happen on draft day with the Top 3. You can have your opinion that Raymond will become better than Stutzle. I respect that opinion, because it absolutely could happen. What I don't care for, and what I consider trolling, is constantly saying Raymond will go #3, because he won't. Everyone knows this except you. There are only two players who the Sens will be taking at #3, and it's Byfield or Stutzle. There is no debate for this, it's well known by now. Anyone who doesn't have a mock draft with a top 3 of Lafreniere, Byfield, and Stutzle (in whatever order) will be wrong and they are ignoring reality. That doesn't mean they will be the best 3 in the future, of course. This is the last thing I will say about this topic.

It would be just like the Sens to ignore to added benefit of seeing a D+1 season of a potential draftee and being closed off to those results. It’s almost like scouting pros at this point. And we all know how horrendous our pro scouting is.

Raymond struggled to get playing time last year as most 17yo do in that league. Today, he played on a scoring line, on PP1, had the 7th most ice-time amongst fwds, had 4 SOG which led the team. Him adding shot volume and a more dangerous shot to his skill set is exactly what he needed. Finished with one PP Goal in their 3-0 win. Great game by him.

I actually don’t care who the Sens take. I have other teams I enjoy following as well.

Ev wrote:

Lagoon wrote:So because you’ve done no research yourself and believe a couple articles you’ve read, you discount the other 50% of the articles you haven’t read.

Meanwhile, Raymond is doing what we all expected already. You should watch the game right now instead of doing nothing. But you won’t because you’ve already made up your mind even though a D+1 season is happening prior to a draft for the first time in forever.

Who is trolling?

It seems you haven't done the research to know what will happen on draft day with the Top 3.

I’m sorry you believe what you read. The draft will be so anticlimactic as always. If only all the teams made their scouting rooms public before the draft we could just cancel the draft all together and teams could just call their guy and tell them to report to camp when it opens.

I've seen a few things suggesting Raymond is ahead of Stutzle but the overwhelming majority has Stutzle being drafted ahead of Raymond. Ottawa will be foolish not to draft either or both of them. Chances are Detroit will take Rossi, Perfetti or Drysdale so we may end up with both regardless. Detroit who has zero goalie prospects may even take Askarov. Who the hell knows

Pretty much exactly.

Raymond has 3 more games until this draft. Too bad Holtz doesn’t start his season for another week, but we will be able to see him 3 times before the draft.

Can’t wait for this to be over. Need a vacay.

My money is on the sens taking Stutzle and Raymond/Rossi. I also think the sens trade with NJ to acquire either the 18 or 20 pick depending who is on the board. My guess is they go after Schneider, Guhle, Wallinder or Grans with this pick.

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:My money is on the sens taking Stutzle and Raymond/Rossi. I also think the sens trade with NJ to acquire either the 18 or 20 pick depending who is on the board. My guess is they go after Schneider, Guhle, Wallinder or Grans with this pick.

As long as we get one of Raymond and Rossi, we at worst came out ok. I’d love to know what Detroit is doing.

I’d love to see them sneak into one of NJ’s late 1sts, but also I think the board is going to be a gong show after 10, especially 11-29 so I’m ok with whoever falls to us at 28.

Naw - use those 2nd rd picks to get a player higher on the list. That's why we have them. If it takes two 2nds or a 2nd and a prospect to move up 10 spots then I am all for it. As long as it's for the right player.

I'm not going to sit here and inflate Lagoon's tires, but a part of me does see Raymond going 3rd. Stutzle could very well be this year's Zadina and fall a few spots. His style of play isn't conducive to NA hockey, but it's hard to turn down his hands and skill. I do think he is probably better suited as a winger though, which scares me if we take two wingers and dont come out of this draft with a 1C. That leads me to think we end up taking Rossi as a contingency plan over Raymond at 5. I can't see Detroit passing on Perfetti or Sanderson. They have their RHD in Seider, and Sanderson would be a good complementary dman for him. Perfetti is apparently being interviewed by Detroit a 3rd time, and I heard his interview with the Sens. Kid is smart and articulate and sounds like a coach's dream. Not to mention the links with the Wings.

I think a lot of people are basing their opinion of Stutzle on the WJCH and a few highlights from a 3 v 3 tournament against Switzerland. Raymond was injured and didn't play in the WJHC - if he did it would be a whole different story. I still think we end up with Stutzle and Raymond/Rossi and we take Stutzle ahead of Raymond because he is a 'center' which is what Detroit needs. I also think the Sens can't afford any more media backlash and will draft Stutzle. Post draft lottery, Dorion spoke very highly of both Stutzle and Byfield, and didn't suggest that anyone else would be taken at that spot. He said he was happy with either/or. That said, I am also reminded of Melnyk's constant jabs about the Leafs being forward heavy which makes me think we take a d-man at 5. I hope this isn't the case but can definitely see the storyline of the Sens getting their #1C and #1 RHD in the draft.

Pretty pumped for this to be over with

DefenceWinsChampionships wrote:Naw - use those 2nd rd picks to get a player higher on the list. That's why we have them. If it takes two 2nds or a 2nd and a prospect to move up 10 spots then I am all for it. As long as it's for the right player.

I'm not going to sit here and inflate Lagoon's tires, but a part of me does see Raymond going 3rd. Stutzle could very well be this year's Zadina and fall a few spots. His style of play isn't conducive to NA hockey, but it's hard to turn down his hands and skill. I do think he is probably better suited as a winger though, which scares me if we take two wingers and dont come out of this draft with a 1C. That leads me to think we end up taking Rossi as a contingency plan over Raymond at 5. I can't see Detroit passing on Perfetti or Sanderson. They have their RHD in Seider, and Sanderson would be a good complementary dman for him. Perfetti is apparently being interviewed by Detroit a 3rd time, and I heard his interview with the Sens. Kid is smart and articulate and sounds like a coach's dream. Not to mention the links with the Wings.

I think a lot of people are basing their opinion of Stutzle on the WJCH and a few highlights from a 3 v 3 tournament against Switzerland. Raymond was injured and didn't play in the WJHC - if he did it would be a whole different story. I still think we end up with Stutzle and Raymond/Rossi and we take Stutzle ahead of Raymond because he is a 'center' which is what Detroit needs. I also think the Sens can't afford any more media backlash and will draft Stutzle. Post draft lottery, Dorion spoke very highly of both Stutzle and Byfield, and didn't suggest that anyone else would be taken at that spot. He said he was happy with either/or. That said, I am also reminded of Melnyk's constant jabs about the Leafs being forward heavy which makes me think we take a d-man at 5. I hope this isn't the case but can definitely see the storyline of the Sens getting their #1C and #1 RHD in the draft.

Pretty pumped for this to be over with

We definitely won’t use them all in my opinion. A trade or 2 have high probability.

You mentioned Stützle’s hands and skill as assets, but you have to mention his pace and skating in any conversation when talking about his strength. But you are right, he doesn’t think the game very well and has zero ability to manipulate layers of defence. Those are 2 ofmany downfalls and the ones most difficult to teach out of him. I won’t get into position, but he’s a LW by trade and has sparingly played C. This year, those roles have been reversed, but for my money, he’s a LW until further development in his maturity.

Anyone that thinks they know what Yzerman is thinking or will do, well he’s a tough nut to crack so good for anyone who believes they know. Not sure how or why people think they know. What in Yzerman’s history as GM have people known about prior to it happening?

Dorion’s an idiot and we all know that. If he wants to stop scouting and not use knowing part of a D+1 season to his advantage, he’s dumber than we all thought.

Yes, October 6th and 7th is going to be great. I still want to see Raymond, Holtz, Lundell, Askarov, Amirov, Grans, Nybeck, Niederbach, Torgersson and Gunler a bit more before I finalize my mock. Big money on the line if I can win this one.

Lagoon wrote:
Yes, October 6th and 7th is going to be great. I still want to see Raymond, Holtz, Lundell, Askarov, Amirov, Grans, Nybeck, Niederbach, Torgersson and Gunler a bit more before I finalize my mock. Big money on the line if I can win this one.

In what?

In bragging rights

Lagoon wrote:So because you’ve done no research yourself and believe a couple articles you’ve read, you discount the other 50% of the articles you haven’t read.

Meanwhile, Raymond is doing what we all expected already. You should watch the game right now instead of doing nothing. But you won’t because you’ve already made up your mind even though a D+1 season is happening prior to a draft for the first time in forever.

Who is trolling?

Sorry, but what percentage of articles are *you* ignoring when you put Steutzle 8th?

wprager wrote:

Lagoon wrote:So because you’ve done no research yourself and believe a couple articles you’ve read, you discount the other 50% of the articles you haven’t read.

Meanwhile, Raymond is doing what we all expected already. You should watch the game right now instead of doing nothing. But you won’t because you’ve already made up your mind even though a D+1 season is happening prior to a draft for the first time in forever.

Who is trolling?

Sorry, but what percentage of articles are *you* ignoring when you put Steutzle 8th?

I’m not ignoring anything. How many times have I mentioned how elite his pace, skating and puck control are? He’s elite. He’s a high floor, low ceiling player that should be a PP specialist at the very least. What I don’t ignore or fail to mention is every flaw I see ad nauseam. They are plentiful and they are superstar limiting. In a draft class like this with the elite skill, superstar DNA, high IQ, complete game, coachability and compete level, I simply prefer many players over Stutzle. I’m not sure why the elementary backlash. There is no science to scouting especially 17-18 year olds across many nations and many different leagues. I’ve welcomed someone on here to watch more games and debate me, but nothing ever gets expanded into an actual brainstorm. I’m comfortable with my work so I’m comfortable with my opinions. I could show you 100’s of Stützle’s shifts that would open your eyes a little, but it is pretty clear some of you don’t want that. Believe it or not, in the NHL you aren’t as good as your greatest skill, you are only as good as your worst flaw. The NHL will eat you up. Ignorance is bliss.

It’s funny because if it wasn’t for the Sens prospect pool, I wouldn’t care about them one bit. For some on here that admittedly know nothing about prospects, it is strange why some of you stick around cheering for an organization that has nothing going for them except prospects.

The athletic beat writers just did a mock draft and have it exactly how I would do the mock for the top 5 today. Lafreneire, Stutzle, Byfield, Perfetti, Raymond

My prayers answered.

The DEL not starting until mid November and icing Stutzle is a positive for mocks. Byfield not playing same.

Ev wrote:The athletic beat writers just did a mock draft and have it exactly how I would do the mock for the top 5 today. Lafreneire, Stutzle, Byfield, Perfetti, Raymond

This is how I see it going too. 2 and 3 are a coinflip but there is a lot suggesting LA takes Stutzle over Byfield. I'd be shocked if Detroit passes on Perfetti but Yzerman is not a conventional drafter as Lagoon pointed out. However, they do need a 1C and the links between Perfetti and Detroit are hard to ignore

Man, all this sounds so familiar. Very interesting. I could’ve sworn this was on this site 3 months ago.

3. Marco Rossi — C, Ottawa 67’s, 5-foot-9

Rossi was busy this summer. He skated with the ZSC Lions. He skated privately with Rob Schremp. He got fully healthy for the first time in a while and worked harder than ever in the gym. And now he has decided against signing in Europe, despite considerable interest, because he, his family, and his agent Serge Payer believe he’s going to make his NHL club this winter. Rossi has also reached agreements to practice with the EBEL’s Graz99ers and their head coach Doug Mason, as well as the DEL’s Straubing Tigers and their head coach Tom Pokel.

I don’t know how much more I can say about Rossi. He’s not far off from my idea of a perfect hockey player. He can break teams down through seams, he can beat defenders one-on-one both off the cycle (with strength) and the rush (with finesse and touch). He can score with his release or his hands and footwork. He plays in the middle of the ice but knows when to take the outside lane. And he’s the best defensive forward in the draft. Some evaluators point to his height and question whether he’ll stick at centre, his natural position. Others question his late birthday and dominant Ottawa 67’s team for the effect they had on his remarkable production. And while the latter has some effect on my evaluation, the former is lazy and doesn’t account for how strong he is or the way his low centre of gravity in his stance helps him fight off bigger defenders. He’s also one of the most determined, focused prospects I’ve ever interacted with and is probably the most NHL-ready player in the draft after Lafreniere, so the team that selects him is potentially getting an impact player from Day 1.

I always come back to Ottawa 67’s general manager James Boyd telling me this about Rossi:

“He’s a phenomenal player. Phenomenal. A few teams that have picked up on it. I’m biased but I think he’s the best player in our league. It’s not often you’ve got a player on your team who is the best offensive player, the best defensive player, the best guy on faceoffs, the best guy on the power play, the best guy on the penalty kill and probably your No. 1 shootout shooter. And the thing is he doesn’t cheat, so as the game goes along, he takes over. The No. 1 thing for me is his skating — which was a concern for some people — is phenomenal. Some guys are interested in getting better, he’s obsessed. If I told him to eat a pound of sunflower seeds every day because it would help him get to the NHL, he’d be right on it. It’s only going to continue. You hear this sort of stuff about Sidney Crosby or Shea Weber when they were juniors, it’s almost like a disorder, the striving to get better. I see the same thing in Marco. Nothing’s going to stop him.”